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815 1st AVA #115
sea, WA 98104
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In Zuccotti Park I protest
I’m the ninety-nine percent
All the protesters in Seattle do
Is sleep in stupid tents
I’m not really sure what I want
As I rage against the machine
This group really has no demands
But on TV we can be seen
That’s really what this is all about
Our fifteen minutes of fame
Or so the union leaders said
When I asked them who to blame
I guess what really gets me the most
Is that corporations pay little tax
And those millionaires and billionaires
I think they should pay the max
You have too much, I have so little
Now I want my fair share
Maybe you worked for what you got
We’re unequal and that’s not fair
So that is what I rally against
To the employed in their offices dry
So what if we really have no demands
We just want you to hear our cry
But what I really, really want
As I look in my heart and soul
Is to never have to work like you
But to live off the public dole
This video I made expresses what I think we should make our top priority:
I would appreciate it if you give it a watch.
Basically, I am making the point, we must and we can- take a major step to crack the strangle hold of the two party system if we promote a change to a cumulative voting system. Please watch my video and let me know if anyone else over there is in agreement and working on this. I believe we could convert WA state to a cumulative voting method for Presidential elections which would have a huge impact on the national dialogue and attention to alternative ideas.
Thanks for you time
Short Bio… David Pauling… 83 year old high school dropout… technically challenged.
1945-1953… U. S. Marine Corps… “Gunnery Sergeant”… WWII and Korea.
1954-2005… ditch digger, salesman, Project Consultant, CEO, small business owner.
2005-2009… AmeriCorps VISTA Leader… fighting poverty, searching for the antidote.
2009-Current… Perfecting the Vaccine… seeking public acceptance.
May want to think about setting up email updates, like have paper and pen going around. Next, multiple communication hubs, different sectors maybe but coordinated. 2-way radio’s. More status pictures and cell video briefs like news as many phones can record 1-many minutes. K33p up th3 fight 4 humanity
I just want to post here and start using it to centralize the demands we had collected. Mark D will be coordinating, but I wanted to verify that posting here works and kick off conversations here.
In a nut shell, what we are doing is working to expel from our society the corrupting, overpowering and undemocratic influences of corporations, banks and the ultra rich. Our goal is to create the conditions where real democracy can flourish.
Today our government operates only in the interest of the wealthiest, most fraudulent and corrupting individuals. When our goals are achieved, we will have a system that works for all people equally. Only then can the will of the people be realized.
Many of us here have begun working together to compile a long and broad set of demands to be voted on; in effect trying to outline what, in our minds, the will of the people is.
We are the 99%. This is what we say. But the longer our list of demands, the more there is for ordinary people to disagree with and the smaller the percentage of people we will truly represent. Our demands must be VERY focused in order to hold on to our legitimate claim of being the 99%.
And when we succeed, we will have real democracy and the people as a whole can then decide what their will truly is.
Take the power back, and the rest will follow.
We (OccupySeattle) should adopt NYC’s demands and declariation:
As you said, nearly all of us are fed up with Wall Street’s greed. But exactly what are the specific steps you propose to get the needed reforms done? What are the precise goals here? Peaceful, legal demonstrations are every American’s right, but how do you keep the demonstrations from being hijacked by violent and destructive anarchists? At what point do the usefulness of the demonstrations end and the need to become part of the grassroots efforts of the 2012 electoral process begins? And despite the claims this is a leaderless effort, I believe some leadership exists. The very existance of this website proves this. Wouldn’t it make people feel more accepting of the movement if the leadership is transparent?
Greetings and salutations,
The goals are to fix this country by making this country a place where individuals can work and flourish, send our kids to college, better this country; the methods are what are in question. Some may disagree with what makes the country better such as converting the economy from fossil fuel to renewable energy like solar, wind, tidal or some other technology. Contrary to what the coal industry tries to say, there is no such thing as clean coal and carbon sequestering is not the answer. Don’t believe, do your own research on the theories of the mass extinction.
As to some methods to achieve this goal of a better country.
First, remove Corporate Constitutional Rights through a constitutional amendment.
The fact is that with the rights reserved for the individual [thanks partly to the ACLU] the playing field is no where near level. Businesses and/or Corporations enjoy expanded rights far exceeding the individual’s rights simply because these businesses have greater access to funds and therefore have greater influence and impact over the legislation drafted and passed into law than the average individual..
Secondly, prohibit lobbyist.
A constitutional amendment to prohibit lobbying.
Third, a direct democracy.
The time for a republic is past. In the United States the technology now allows for direct democracy that was not available in a timely or orderly fashion in the beginning of the United States.
These three things would bring about the change of the United States from a Republic where the will of the individual is usurped by the money and influence of Corporations. This was the “cough” original desires of the founding fathers “cough”.
Of course to create a great country you need intelligent individuals. To have intelligent individuals you need to pay for education. You cannot legislate good behavior, however, you can educate intelligent behavior.
Take money and religion out of politics.
This is not to sound haughty or deride people’s democracy, because I think it is actually a good idea, but for practicality reasons, if there is a demands workgroup and we are it, why is there a general demands input box on the front page? How will we make use of it if we do. I think it may be worthwhile to have it if we manage to distill from the popular input some demands, but we are not even sure yet if we are going to make an actual list of demands or do something else.
One thing that we can do is make the input (very) public as a long list of individual remarks to refer to as “voices from the 99%”, beside a more concise, cohesive statement.
I was just not sure if we had reached consensus about how we wish to format our demands, and this could render the box useless, which I think would be a waste of possibly great ideas and might discourage people from outside to join in and have their say.
My name is Bart, I’m the Dutch guy, I hope to see you all tomorrow.
First, I think “List Of Demands” will alienate lots of people, especially ultra conservative. I STRONGLY BELIEVE the List Of Demands should ne called “The Final Document” or something similiar to that. This is something that feels more comfortable in the present and also from a historical standpoint.
Also, I have a Green Energy Economy Initiative or Referendum. It is applicable to several categories and areas of needed change. I have added it to the comments of the relevent items on the list of demands, here is a copy of it for you here:
A Green Technology Referendum That
Should Be Added To The List Of Demands
by cleanelectric 9/29/2011
One of the “Occupy Official Demands” should be an Environmental and Economic Stimulus Directive to install solar panels and (cylindrical) wind turbines along every interstate highway, roadway, parking lot, warehouse roof, tall building and home in the country.
We need an electric car initiative and an electric farm equipment initiative (tractors, harvesters etc.)
We need a world-wide directive that states that oil is more valuable and will last longer as a manufacturing ingredient and not as a fuel. It should not be used as a fuel.
There are 925 Million People going hungry on the planet every day out of 7 billion people total, that is 1/7th of earths population going hungry. Food prices are forecast to double in 18 years meaning that 4/7th of earths population will go hungry. Growing crops for Bio Fuels is a waste of badly needed food crops. Bio Fuels are still burned and still pollute and should not be used.
The U.S. still gets half it’s electricity from coal. It is the dirtiest, most polluting fossil fuel of all. The Canadian Tar Sands are the dirtiest source of all other sources. The damage coal causes to the environment means that it is a false economy and is really of no value to the community. It should not be used.
Natural Gas burns cleaner than coal, but it still burns and it still pollutes. Extracting natural gas pollutes ground water permanently. fracturing rock a mile under earths surface to get the natural gas is like shattering earths ribs and could cause earthquakes and other irreversable damage. It should not be used.
Nuclear Power is only clean until there is a leak. Dozens of America’s largest cities are within the 50 mile “fatal zone” of nuclear reactors. They should be mothballed as their usefull life expires.
Green Technology as in Solar, Wind, and Tidal Energy Generation: electric vehicles, and “intermittent source” power storage and “load leveling” are in their infancy as the Model T Ford was once the infancy of automobiles.
Nuclear Power and ALL fossil fuels will only continue to get more and more expensive and contribute to corporate and government corruption, and contribute to the instability of global politics,economics and every countries food supply as time goes on.
A Green Technology Economy will provide more security to each countries agriculture system and environment, energy independence, and a new profitable economy for all. It will become more and more efficient as it is installed and develops.
These directives should become global and not just American.
I am Pete. You can find me in the fundraising group. I am on site at Westlake. My tent has http://www.occupyseattle written on it. It is a one person mountain hardware tent.
I think that the only political events allowable, would be required to address issues provided by the Occupy organization. So, recent debates by republicans would be shut down, since they debate nothing of substance or relevance. The same for TV advertising!
The global economy is a failure. However, there are many good aspects to it, salvageable ideas. A big part of our problem today is the nature of our work, which overtaxes our bodies and the environment, and doesn’t address properly our basic needs or our heart wants, or properly address the needs and wants of consumers. It is currently a global mess.
1. Let’s begin a program of socialism for 2.4 months of the year or 2 days per week for anyone who wants to volunteer for it (and thus benefit from it in food, housing benefits, transportation, medicine, education, etc) to keep the trains running.
2. Gear colleges, universities and trade schools to help us unlock the real dreams of our hearts for the rest of our time, while guiding us through counselors and native elders how to be of service to humanity via our dreams, in harmony with nature. It doesn’t matter what we do, as long as we love what we do, it is a service to others, and it is in harmony with nature. Native people will have this opportunity to continue their native life unabated if they choose.
3. Let’s develop a zeitgeist regarding population control.
4. Understanding of the chakra system should be taught by ancient cultures such as Tibetans, Hopi, Hebrew and Hindu. The reason for this is that the chakras (through meditation, Reiki, Chi, Qi Gong, yoga, Wicca, etc) unlock the inner voice, allowing you to understand right from wrong from the spirit within. One day, when all people have an understanding of their chakras, we will no longer need law. We will all know what to do, and we will live in paradise.
Please consider this idea, it can change the world.
1721 Sage Lane
Blacksburg, VA 24060
I have paranoid schizophrenia, but this is all based on facts. Please read for yourself…
I would be grossly remiss if I failed to bring you the traditional (hereafter simply Hopi) Hopi message that the world would transform radically by the end of the Hopi/Mayan calendar, December 21, 2012. I visited the Hopi in 1998-1999 in Flagstaff, AZ. Though they never talked about their prophesy with me, I was confronted with their book at the first onset, Hotevilla by Mails/Evehema. In this book the spiritually advanced traditional Hopi prophesy WWIII on page 35 in a glyph on a 1000 year old pictograph on a rock on the reservation. For details on this please Google Hopi Prophesy Rock. See < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srYoI3LOzCY> The Hopi accurately prophesied WWI and II before they occurred and boldly told the US President at that time (I think it was Taft) and were ignored. It is wise not to ignore the Hopi. Their prophesies usually come true.
The point of the book, and the point that was so clear when I was in Flagstaff, is that Western “civilization” has created a real mess of native Hopi life. The BIA, Peabody Coal and the churches have done irreparable harm to the traditional, ceremonial way of life of the traditional Hopi. Now the Hopi are the nation’s spiritual elders… when their ceremonial life is damaged, so goes the nation. They are afraid for themselves and for us.
The subtitle of Hotevilla is ‘microcosm of the world’ and what they seem to mean by that is that every community in the Global South has or will experience this kind of maltreatment from the US military-industrial complex. War, wage slavery, environmental racism (climate change, mining tailings, pesti/herbicides, factory river/air pollution, illegal dumping, etc), relocation of native people, crippling debt via the IMF/World Bank, US support of (military) dictatorships have all been felt by the Global South. This is our hallmark in the developing world. All because we can get away with it. This is all in a quest for profit. You see, profit is like a spell cast over people, because in essence, it causes slavery. With profit, you get something, for nothing. If everyone were a wage earner, we would all gain more based on skill alone. Essentially, we would all be financially equal. What the Hopi are exposing, what they are declaring in that the emperor wears no clothes, is that we can avoid WWIII through reason. We can recognize the dangers to humanity and the environment that business and the military and churches cause, and make changes for a good world, and not go through WWIII.
The Hopi allude to the interesting point that there is one thing we haven’t thought of… the Chinese. We have an odd behavior with them. We are shtuping them with wage slavery on one hand, and borrowing money we don’t plan on paying back with the other. To add fuel to the fire, the Chinese are schooled Marxists. They are very familiar with the machinations of neo-fascist capitalism. And they have an army much larger than ours. They are hacking into our military, medical and engineering secrets. Plus, oil, water and mineral resources are being scrambled for by hegemonies worldwide. On top of it all, they have some of our nuclear weapons secrets.
The Hopi say that on Purification Day a ‘red army’ will cover the Earth like red ants. This is thought to mean that at a certain turning point Russia, China and their allies (perhaps Latin American) will rout the US and her allies and conquer the world, WWIII. Whether this prophesy is a deterrent to help us get our act together or if this is simply the bitter truth, I do not know. I suspect the former, knowing the Hopi, but don’t rule out the latter, knowing the Republican Party and American business. In any event, we seem to be in real trouble here. As time continues and it seems more and more obvious that we will go to war with China et al, be prepared. Don’t go to war. Negotiate. Have talks and negotiate. We are all living on one small planet, and it is time that we work together, brother with brother. Common fellowship is inevitable anyway, do it before we all perish.
I picture to myself what friends and family would say to me after the Chinese invaded, asking why I didn’t do more to cry out, since I knew. I have been very vocal about this, and I recognize that a prophesy is difficult to be sure about. However, you can look at the facts. The developing world is slave to a relative few in this country and Europe, and powerful in Asia. America is in a funny position with China. The environment is very, very tired. 1.2 billion people globally are on the edge of starvation every day. Clearly, we are at a tipping point, and we have been for some time. Perhaps China is ready to cut the strings of the puppet master.
It is an interesting thing to note that in spite of all of these facts the Mayans, cousin to the Hopi, insist that we will transition to world peace at the end of the calendar without world war. I suspect that is possible, but we have some work to do, and time is running out. It is time to stand strong for peace and justice, the world over. It should be noted that the Hopi are a holy people, they are the nation’s spiritual elders, and the last thing they want is to see WWIII. They have been protesting nuclear weapons and WWIII since WWII, and have been to the UN (the house of mica) four times to make this protest official.
It is my opinion that ‘work’ is at the heart of this problem. I think we would all do well to work a whole lot less, like a maximum of 2 days per week, or a few months out of the year. This would help the environment greatly, coupled with a reduction in the global population through thoughtful family planning via a global zeitgeist on the subject. Then, we could spend much more time pursuing our true dreams, something I think we all miss when we are working so hard. Our two days of (voluntary) work could be very focused on our global, common ‘socialist’ needs, while our free time could explore our dreams. As we continue our pursuit of our dreams in college and trade school, counselors can harness those dreams to fit the needs of society, so that we are matching our soul work with our capacity to serve. This is what we were really meant to do. And the last step is to nurture the environment in the process of our work, and enjoy it.
May all love and peace be with you.
1721 Sage Lane
Blacksburg, VA 24060
Here is some reference material to back up my claims:
All of the Hopi information can be found in Hotevilla: Hopi Shrine of the Covenant : Microcosm of the World by Thomas E. Mails and Dan Evehema, and by Googling Hopi Prophesy Rock to match page 35, the Hopi prophesy rock. See also Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins US war on the developing world has been documented in the papers for over a hundred years. It is interesting to note that the Hopi prophesied WWI and II before they occurred, and reported this to the then President. For this, they were imprisoned. There is a book called Killing Hope: U.S. Military and C.I.A. Interventions Since World War II–Updated Through 2003 by William Blum that describes constant war by the US since WWII toward the developing world.
Wage slavery in the Global South is very, very hard to prove, but it is likely prevalent. There is a good book on it called Made in China: Women Factory Workers in a Global Workplace by Ngai Pun. See also The Story of Stuff: The Impact of Overconsumption on the Planet, Our Communities, and Our Health-And How We Can Make It Better by Annie Leonard See United Students Against Sweatshops: http://usas.org/
For environmental racism, see Global Witness website: http://www.globalwitness.org/ For relocation of native people, see Survival Interational: http://www.survivalinternational.org/ IMF and World Bank cause poverty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrynBzUpyag US support of dictatorships (and many, many other oppressive issues): http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/
Here is some info on the PLA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army Their army is 3 million strong. The fact that the Chinese have been hacking into our professional computers has been in the news for over 10 years. http://cyberarms.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/chinese-hackers-spear-phishing-for-us-military-secrets/ and http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread350381/pg1 There is a book that illustrates China’s obtaining our nuclear secrets, Tiger Trap: America’s Secret Spy War with China by David Wise.
Peak Oil, Peak Water:
Debt to China and others:
…my inner voice said no. Occupy Blackburg?
Term limits for congressional seats: reduces the revolving door issue, making funds for re-election a somewhat non-issue, and would act as fiber to get the constipated system moving.
OWS needs to focus on the one thing that will go the farthest to solve everybody’s economic problem. Namely, we need to end the Federal Reserve System that signs us into debt bondage every time they issue some money. Even though the Fed is almost 100 years old, the Fed is completely illegal. The United States needs to issue its own money debt free instead of letting a non-Federal-government entity called “the Fed” issue debt as money so its international fat cat owners can leech off the U.S. dollar and everyone who uses it.
Demand focus toward regionally sustainable economic systems. We have to focus on what will replace this system as it continues to collapse.
Mike, I don’t know if this has been brought up because I can’t view a forum discussion but here goes. Most thinking people know why we OccupySeattle or OccupyWallStreet, this issues are known and obvious. The sources of our discontent are many and varied, making a laundry list of demands only allows the elites who own the media and levers of goverment to pick apart the arguments, find wedge issues, engage us in dialog, and get us off the streets as soon as possible so they can resume business.
We don’t want them to do this. We want to stay encamped on the cold, wet sidewalk as an incoherent mass with our many demands and varied causes, we want to be a hindrance to navigation, a weeping sore that wont heal. We want them to come to us with a suggestion, which we can debate and dissect, negotiate and make compromises. Was social security created because the members of Hooverviles made a list of demands? No they did not, they camped and shouted and starved and made so much trouble for the elites of the depression that they created social security to get them back into homes and jobs so they could get back to making money.
Just a suggestion
this is the first convincing argument I’ve heard about NOT making demands. great food for thought. great argument.
I agree with peter. The media are wall street, are the corporations. Beware the media. Resist media manipulation. Refuse to be defined by the media.
Do you think we can finish this up by Christmas? If not can we move to Bellevue? I really love downtown Seattle in December – without the weeping sores, of course.
Yeah – get those cleared up would ya?
I was referring to the one’s on your Mom’s lips
I would like to see my draft of a Green Energy Economy appear on the list of demands. Not just for Seattle, but globally. Here is the link
I also believe that the term List of Demands could alienate or make some people uncomfortable. I propose that the Occupy movement rename it to “The Final Document.”
What are we doing? We aren’t taking over our government and changing society as a whole… I keep reading all of NY’s info and they talk about economic inequalities and corrupt elections while Seattle talks about all fringe ideas that people wish we could have. To quote a NY occupier, “KEEP IT SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT!
1% have all the wealth and political influence. We the 99% demand our economic and political EQUALITY.
This is not about ideology. This is about equality. Lets not expand too far from that or else our solidarity will crumble.”
agree – we must focus on the lack of political power of the 99%. This is the root problem that must be fixed. We don’t need a list of demands right now. We just need people to see the problem, and stand with us if they want it fixed. I think there are some ideas that could be implemented locally to address this in a practical way that might spread if we can get some traction. Like publically financed campaigns.
Of course there are many many things we would all like to change to improve our world. But none of them will happen if nothing comes of this protest movement. Occupy Seattle is a satellite to the occupy wall street protest in NY. We need to stay united. That means some of our wishes/demands need to be pushed to the back if they are not directly inline with the 99% concept. Focus all efforts at dismantling the current Wall Street system and it’s undue influence on our economy and our democracy. End of Story.
I agree. If we want to have an impact, we cannot represent only “fringe” ideas. Like it or not, we need to appeal to “mainstream” America, because there are problems that we are ALL experiencing together. We need their involvement, and we need to speak to them.
- tax the wealthy at at least the same rate as the rest of us (the Buffet law)
- congress should support the people and not the corporations, restrict lobbying
- reverse the supreme court decision to allow unlimited campaign contributions by corporations and unions
- SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE
I think the wide variety of “fringe” ideas as well as corporate issues is what makes this whole movement real. The whole incorporate all ideas is what brings people out. It allows the movement to be all inclusive. If you cut out the universal health care people because you want to focus on corporate greed, you loose that group. If you cut out the legalize mmj people you loose another group. 99% is everyone and everyone has an idea that is important to them. The whole idea that it is hard to define the movements ideology is exactly what makes it hard to dismiss. Be Strong Be Flexible.
what is mmj?
I maintain that if this protest is going to effect any actual change, we will have to choose a few demands to really push, “or else”. Or else we won’t stop, we won’t leave, we won’t quit occupying, we won’t quit marching and disrupting. It doesn’t seem realistic to me that we will be able to force the government to acquiesce to every single idea and belief that is out there in this crowd. Do I want gay marriage to be legal? Yes. But I am not going to try and push that here, because I recognize the value making a few, universally agreeable demands that are aligned with the motivations of this protest movement.
I fully agree with the voting system that is happening here and through Occupy Wall St. We all have differenct causes and beliefs, but I believe that there are a few that we all have in common, and we need to push those through to the top. That is, unless you are just interested in Occupying for the sake of Occupying. I am not. I am interested in governmental change.
They say are message is muddled? We have been perfectly clear, We want corporations and government to be held a accountable and punished for crimes against citizens and the environment, and we want those crimes to stop, NOW!.
Don’t accept their premise, change the narrative.
History is knocking on the door of the United States and its people are ready. As the crises in our communities and around the world grow, so must our response. We can no longer abide the outrageous and growing wealth inequality in this country. We cannot accept a government “of, by, and for” the corporations. We cannot remain silent while our leaders continue to exploit and slaughter people in distant lands or while millions of us have no access to health care. A majority of Americans want the wars to end. We want investment in jobs, education, and environmental protection. We want banks to invest for our future, not for their executives’ pocketbooks. We want laws that are just, lawmakers who obey them, and the power to hold them accountable when they do not. For that, we need a judiciary biased toward justice, not the partisan powers and big business interests they serve.
In the United States the people have little voice in the process of governance, as elected officials and institutions have been corrupted by concentrated corporate interests that have bought and paid for them. The people have no control over their own lives and the direction of their own communities. The brave who speak out for justice are often ignored, harassed, or imprisoned. Unified resistance has become the essential avenue for change.
Our time has come. We pledge to stand together in nonviolent resistance to corporate greed, government corruption, violence and injustice. We must follow our brave brothers and sisters of the Arab Spring and developing European Summer into an Autumn of an American awakening. With our bodies united in resistance and our voices coalesced into one sustained cry for justice, we can and must Stop the Machine and Create a New World!
It is very difficult for us to get honest information about democracy movements around the world from the U.S. corporate-controlled media. Please visit our website at http://www.October2011.org and keep us informed of your actions. We have called our action “Stop the Machine! Create a New World!” Together we will end concentrated corporatism and create a peaceful, just, and sustainable future that respects all of humanity and the planet.
Written by the October2011.org Movement, a coalition of individuals and organizations seeking to end corporatism and militarism in the United States.
The decisions we each make (about how to spend our time, how to use natural and creative resources, how to allocate our money, etc) may be labeled “personal,” but they are never just personal. Our personal decision to buy a yacht, for example, is a decision to employ people in yacht design and outfitter positions etc and it is always a decision to not employ people in other areas of the economy; it is a decision for the employed to make a certain amount of money doing a certain kind of work (in this case within the realm of personal recreation as opposed to public recreation) and for the employed to use their creative capacities (or not use their creative capacities) in a certain ways. It is a decision to use our water ways and natural resources in a particular way. I could go on in this direction
Additionally, within this power-over economic structure, individuals who have more resources not only hold more resources (i.e., decision making power), they have access to more potential ways in which to generate more resources; so in order for the rich to not get richer and the poor to not get poorer under this model it is the rich that must recognize this systemic flaw and care enough to make adjustments in their “personal” decision making without any “personal” incentive to do so. If the power-over economy is to remain, there must be a larger voice with social interest inserted into the decision making process. It is my opinion that a cap on income is necessary under this flawed model as well.
Though, I hope to see the economy transform in such a way that for one to gain resources, resources do not have to be taken away from another. The wealthy often deny this is the case because the current economic model which has enriched them does not take into account the systemic dynamics briefly alluded to above, nor do they acknowledge the finite resources of the earth.
The wealthy are privileged with not having to listen to a non-dominant voice; they isolate themselves more and more as they hoard resources. For example, they can drive their vehicle (little pod) temperature controlled with security devices into their secure garage and walk into their home without touching “the outside,” and, in the morning, they can get into their little pod inside their secure garage, and drive to the secure garage of their workplace and be inside working with very little, if any, interaction with human beings from the outside or with nature. They have very little opportunity to witness the stress of living in poverty, the disparity in education and health, the violence, the hunger, the ingenuity and unique awareness of every human being that was ever born in this country. They don’t have to see it; they don’t have to believe in it to be enriched and, in truth, believing in it would be a threat to their enrichment.
I believe all voices must be a part of this discussion now, because every person DOES have a unique awareness and each of them are going to help us see this picture more clearly. I believe it is possible to create an economy that takes into account the finite resources of our planet and the infinite resources of our hearts and minds and creativity. The wealthy often exclaim that there is no alternative to capitalism except communism, but they (as the holders of our petty cash, so to speak) have never invested in the economic theory or research that threatens their wealth, and they have sometimes been a part of the destruction and manipulation of such theory and research. However, Chilean economist Manfred Max-Neef has done some interesting research on what he calls Barefoot Economics. He describes the difference between our growth economic and a development economy. In the most simplistic sense, a plant that cannot survive with perpetual growth; at some point, the plant must shift into efficiency and creative work (into development) in order to thrive or even keep living. There are other economists doing good work that we don’t hear about in our mainstream media and that never had a chance to develop their work because of institutional barriers and limited resources. This is an example of a plant, imagine an ecosystem. This is and always was a social issue. We need every voice for our own survival and the fact of the matter is that many voices will never be heard because they are too sick, too stressed, too “illegitimate,” and so on, because we have let this go on for FAR TOO LONG!
I believe we should push for an executive(Obama)-organized, computerized, centralized dialogue where both theory and personal experience of the economy are discussed. (He did it for his campaign, he can do this for the people.)
I think he should establish in the beginning that each voice should be perceived as a unique awareness from which to more completely see our common (not necessarily “shared”) economic reality.
As I see it, this is the first step, an historic moment like none other. We actually have the technological capacity and grassroots will to do this simple first step.
To expand upon what Jenifer says, I think we should go raid the zoo and release all the animals!! Talk about unique awareness! We need to stand shoulder to shoulder with our fellow creatures in captivity AGAINST THEIR WILL!
I agree with Peter – animal cruelty, medical experimentation and the celebration of going vegan should be on our list of demands. Dolphins are smarter than we are, it’s a proven fact.
Obama demonstrated possibilities available to us now by organizing a computerized, centralized campaign for himself. What I suggested is merely the next step. This is the first time in history when we can actually organize an all-inclusive dialogue that reveals the messy breadth and depth of this matter, and we have systemic, sociohistorical, and philosophical analysts as well as programmers and visual designers capable of organizing the data into an landscape understandable enough to navigate. It’s been done on the scale of large public universities. If you think it cannot successfully be done for America then it is not my unique awareness that stands out but a cynicism and lack of imagination.
Sorry, but I didn’t understand a word of that…Huh?
It means that just because my proposal seems impossible, there are smart people who can make it possible. It’s been done before, just on a smaller scale.
I’ve seen the beginnings of a great movement by the 99%… but after an eruption of activity, the movement is faltering. The reason: we don’t have a consensus on what is the real problem!
Let me spell it out for you. We are living in a plutocratic oligarchy. Translated: we are living in a system where power rests in the hands of a very few wealthy individuals. More from Noam Chomsky’s “Manufacturing Consent” is available on youtube!
These wealthy people make choices that impact our lives directly, like deregulating the derivatives market, allowing corporate tax code loopholes, allowing politicians to operate as civil servants, and cutting the education budgets of over 20 states following the discovery that the most well educated generation in the history of America is biting the hand!
We have had enough of being MARGINALIZED and fed PROPAGANDA! We are tired of being told what to THINK, how to FEEL, how we deserve to LIVE!
There is enough wealth in the world for every single human being to have access to clean water, good food, shelter, protection from violence and tyranny! We are beyond survival times, but so many are not able to survive…
There are many issues at hand! So how can we deal with them all?
We don’t need another round of politicians.. we don’t need another crack at democracy! We need a new form of government that is FOR US BY US, the way it’s supposed to be. We can use our technology and knowledge to rule ourselves. We are using an archaic system, a relic of the founding fathers’ legacy. We are ready for a significant advance in social society. We are ready for the Twenty-First Century, and we are leaving behind all corruption, greed, and misuse of our government for political pocket lining.
We WILL have a say in how our money is spent, whether the FEW want us to or not. This is the tipping point. We are not going to back down and we are not going to give up..
Leave your fears at the door, and recognize that if someone in the 99% tries to fight with you, you must connect with them and inform them of the true opposition.
Thank you for your time, and good luck! I hope if we disseminate this opinion and information that we can create a truly unique system in the SPIRIT of the founding AMERICA.
Can our rallying cry have something to do with bacon? Like, “BACON!!!!!” ? Just one suggestion.
Gawd, I love a movement without a common purpose. Rebels without a cause is what you 99-percenters are. You gotta love Jimbo7 – he wants a rallying cry like “Bacon.” God love him! I love the generalities listed here, but where are the specifics? Specifically what do you want and how do you expect to get it by sitting out the cold holding up cardboard signs written with ink running from the rain? Here’s an idea: Start your own business? You can run it how ever you want and you can pay taxes! Oh, too dumb to figure out how to run a business? Well, that explains why you are sitting on your ass out in the cold.
and met many well educated people who owned businesses…. Maybe making profit in business is not what this is about. Maybe a little self-sacrifice for the greater good of all is more about what this protest is about. Our soldiers in war are under the same understanding, that they are fighting for our freedom, as untrue as that is – they are still participating in self-sacrifice. Possibly you’ve never experienced a truly proud moment when you did something as a sacrifice to yourself for the better of another. Some people will never be enlightened… join them and protest in your leased BMW…. it would be suitable.
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Unions need to change. Unions should only accept the best and brightest into their fold instead of protecting the average idiot. Unions today have driven up the cost of labor so that America is no longer competitive with the rest of the world. That is why jobs have gone overseas. So, change unions or abolish them.
Jobs have gone overseas because corporations can enjoy tax breaks as well as cost savings by paying sub-standard/slave wages in developing 3rd world countries and get away with it.
If you’d have the average American live in cardboard houses and feed their children rice to benefit your 1%, then let’s continue on the current path. If you believe in fair wages and social responsibility then get out to Westlake and show your support!
the american workforce is the most productive in the world, employers have learned they can hire fewer workers and get more done, hence the lower employment rates. They also found there is a global labor market that they can exploit, that’s why jobs went overseas. I don’t know what Union you are in that protects idiots, but my union (ibew 46) is called in to take on the toughest, most difficult jobs not because the multinationals that hire us love us but because we are the best at what we do.
The union movement has become a prop of the capitalists. Please read what Bob King of UAW said about the need to increase profits while cutting down labor rates to 8 – 14$ an hour. Now the UAW manages the pension as well. The labor beuracrats have significant stock in the auto companies so they will fight hard to prevent the workers from understanding the real issues.
These parasites need to be dragged onto the street in handcuffs and exposed to who they are. But that will not happen before we the working class develops a political perspective. What is the reason for the working class (99%) to have no political representation? What happend to the gains we made in the 30′s and then 60′s? What is the path we need to take today?
Currently all of the tax dollars collected are being used to prop up zombie banks or subsidize war profiteers.
So if you “tax the rich” all those taxes are just going to end up back in the pockets of the banks/corps that have hijacked the government.
“Tax the rich” means nothing when the people have no say how tax dollars are allocated.
Furthermore it just feeds in to the “class warfare” meme the republicons are trying to promote.
Westlake park isn’t that big.
Much rather see 5,000 people at westlake than 500 tents.
In order to peacefully assemble and occupy a public area in the coming of winter – it is essential that the use of tents is permitted. The fact that the city and police are writing known sickness tickets to these protesters is not only inhumane but outright wrong.
Last night the Seattle cops confiscated about 125 tents and arrested 7 people. Some of the tents had backpacks and other personal belongings inside them including a list of phone numbers belonging to one of the Occupy Seattle Workgroups. Of the 7 arrested some have been released without charge and some have been held for booking.
You may not want to make an appointment to go down to the Parks Department Revolutionary Tent Storage Facility and reclaim your property because they will ask for your name and contact information in order to retrieve it (that is if you can find it and all it’s parts) among the pile of tents that they tossed without care into the back of a few pickup trucks and without any regard whatsoever as to it’s value to the owner. To make matters worse, they could be gathering this information so that they can send you a citation in the mail.
… Just because talks between Occupy Seattle and the Mayor’s Office broke down afetr he would not allow OS to keep tents on the City Hall Plaza during the day, (we would like tents 24hours per day in order to show solidarity with the people of more than 140 American cities and in Japan, Tokyo, England, Italy, Libya, and the other dozen or so Country’s (Whole Country’s) who are “occupying” their own community centers 24 hours per day) and also to join in solidarity fellow citizens around the globe who have been doing the same thing since the first uprising in Tunisia began 9 months ago, and since the overthrow of three middle eastern governments since then. (Each Country has one common complaint, “People Before Profits.”)
… Just because we had a single propane cook top to try feed and to heat hot water and keep soup warm for over 200 people every day, rising to 3,500 people or so last Saturday, including a large number of homeless individuals (some chronically) from all walks of life, old women, people in wheel chairs, Vietnam War Vets, Gulf War Vets, Iraq Vets, Afghanistan Vets, and countless troubled teens….…
… a cook top that we were forced to use because we were not allowed to use any electricity from any of the parks 6 or so padlocked duplex power outlets, and just because only about 1/2 a dozen businesses out of the entire Global Revolution (as far as Seattle is concerned) whom are unfortunate enough to be directly facing or adjacent to Westlake Park are directly affected by this act of free speech which is also protected by the First Amendment (yes, the first one.) (( But that is another story about the traditional community function of a “village green” or “town center” that has been depicted throughout history.))
… Just because these are the only reasons that talks between the Mayor and a large group of Seattle Citizens known as Occupy Seattle are protesting in exactly the same manner as tens of thousands of fellow protesters in most of the rest of the entire world is no reason for the Seattle Police to be harassing us the way that they have been doing to all of us for more than two weeks now.
All of the police officers that I have personally talked to (except one tonight) have been nice and we have all found common ground together when nothing else is going on and we can chat freely. We talk to the cops the same as when we all talk together while Occupying at Westlake … that is until the police “receive orders to engage.”
THEN the police took dozens of tents and arrested more than 25 people. Then… they said we can sleep in the park only if we are in sleeping bags and tarps. Then…. during two days of torrential rain with southerly winds gusting strong enough to break umbrellas (which by the way are not allowed at Westlake by protesters, but presumably OK for shoppers to have while in the park) the cops would not allow 75 all night/all day protesters and homeless to sleep under the awnings of the building which is facing the park.
The cops made everyone move into the driving rain which had weather conditions creating a wind chill factor of 32 degrees (freezing) at 15mph wind speed @ 40 degree’s Fahrenheit. We are not out here for fun. We have a good reason to be here. During this weather 5 people suffered the early stages of hypothermia including a man who called an ambulance on himself, I drove a man to a warm bed in West Seattle which was offered to him by a complete stranger and fellow protester, and I warmed 3 people in my car, including a 17 year old girl that is 3 months pregnant and to date has had no pre-natal care… and six other homeless individuals pooled their money together to share a single hotel room to dry off and get warm for just one night.
Next …the cops carried out more than a dozen more arrests, 10people, then 2more, and 2 more, all for minor things like 2people out of a group of more than 2,000 marching from Westlake to the Bank Of America Tower and back on 4th … arrested for sitting in the street while the other 1, 9998 + marchers were on the sidewalk … and then the cops said we couldn’t even sleep in the park at all when the park located in the middle of downtown Seattle “is closed” as is everything else for blocks if not miles around … and they were ordered to spend several nights in a row kicking anybody who wasn’t standing to wake them up and keep us awake.
I did manage to prevent one cop from waking the protester next to me because I pointed out to the cop that he was one of the many protesters who had brought their children with him and his boy (about 3years old) was fast asleep in a snug sleeping bag next to him on one of the few starry nights that we have had out here in the last two weeks.
During this whole government melee against citizens of Seattle, the cops took our “outreach tent”, which was not just a food and medical service meant to serve those of us who are exercising our First Amendment Rights in America in solidarity with people around the globe, but our human services tent was also for all of the teen kids on our streets for diverse and ever growing homeless population our city that has plagued us for years.
The cops took our port-a-potties from Westlake which were donated by a supporter of occupy Seattle (and not provided to us by the city as was falsely reported in tv news) so that once again there is nowhere for anybody to use a restroom downtown for miles around downtown in the middle of the night, or even during the day for that matter in most cases, unless you buy a sack of French fries, cup of coffee, or stick of gum except for the other two port-a-potties that Occupy Seattle supporters have nine blocks away in their encampment at Seattle City Hall. This is certainly an awkward chapter for a mayor that has upwards of 2,000 to 2,500 Occupy Seattle Protesters taking part in the Global Revolution at any given moment.
NEXT … … the cops descended upon us all in overwhelminmg numbers at 6:00 in the morning yesterday, (more than 75 cops) and they confiscated more than 125 tents in the name of the Seattle Parks Department, arrested 7, took our information booth’s “patio awning.” and left those of us left in such disarray that the morning commuters and general public think that we cannot even clean up our own trash when the reality of it all is that we as a large group of citizens occupying Westlake who have more than 16,000 additional supporters on-line: are trying to do just that.
If it were not for the mayor’s office refusal to allow us such a large group on the street to have sanitation, electricity, shelter, basic human services, and an acknowledgment that this is not about Seattle’s precious Westlake, the park’s annual Christmas Merry-Go-Round, or the local Christmas shopping retail statistics, this is all about world wide corporate money (mostly American money) derailing global politics, free speech, corporate environmental suicide, vs. common people in 140 U.S. cities and dozens of Countries in the free and not so free world getting together to do the right thing as a global community simply because it is the right thing to do.
I think that WE in America who support the American Occupy Movement and the people willing to camp out voluntarily in these conditions should go hassle all of the people across our great nation who slept in tents last night (without the interference, arrest and seizure of personal property by government and police) at shopping malls around this country in order to be the first on their block to buy the new I-phone… and we should ask them if we may borrow their tents for the revolution now that they are done purchasing a new phone and their night sleeping in a tent outside a shopping mall is done.
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