Occupy Seattle’s Demands to Mayor McGinn As Of Oct. 11, 2011

  1. To the Mayor

    • First and foremost, we demand that Mayor McGinn meet with nominated representatives of Occupy Seattle in order to discuss our long term goals.
  2. Practical Demands
    • Four large tents for Medical, Kitchen, Supply and Info/Tactical

    • Twenty-four hour parking at City Hall (One space for supply purposes)
    • Twenty-four hour occupancy shelters for health and safety of protesters
    • Twenty-four hour access to first floor of City Hall for access to restrooms, meetings & etc.
    • A written statement from Mayor McGinn regarding right to indefinite occupancy of City Hall site.

This list of demands has been so resolved and passed by the General Assembly of Occupy Seattle this Tuesday, October 11, 2011.

83 Responses to Occupy Seattle’s Demands to Mayor McGinn As Of Oct. 11, 2011

  • Princess says:

    Representatives? … How do we nominate?

    • 99%er says:

      Great to see demands. I’ve been out of the loop on what’s happening today and had grown concerned that we’d been sorta … sold down the river of politeness. Yes! to all the demands. Beware of mayors in sheep clothing.

    • Frank says:

      This is the cherry on top of a steaming pile or worthlessness that you folks exude to an astronomical degree.

    • jessemulert says:

      It was not specified in the original proposal, it still needs to be debated and voted upon. Come to the GA or check the minutes tomorrow.

  • karmashand35 says:

    Glad to see that we are all using our brains and thinking ahead. Still think the park should retain a presence. Was that discussed at the GA?

  • thematch says:

    There is a long winter ahead – a strategical retreat is not a defeat. Read military history. This is, I think, the right decision. Was there any discussion of the second occupation taking place at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?

  • John M. says:

    Hoping for success with these reasonable demands!

  • leadnowornever says:

    In solidarity and support

  • carlovoli says:

    Cant’t wait till we have a permanent site where we can stay in tents, survive the winter, and occupy long term. Way to go. Good luck!!

  • Cameron says:

    I second everyone here who is happy with these demands. They are practical and reflect our maturity.

    A question for all parties: what will motivate the mayor to agree to these demands? My only fear is that we call these demands yet they function as requests.

    Best,
    Cam

  • Richard Wells says:

    I don’t understand what being given a site and city services accomplishes. I don’t see it as a victory, and it won’t be an occupation – more like a containment. Can someone clue me in?

    • Tolt says:

      Yes, a containment – more like a “managed” protest.

      • Billy says:

        It takes the protest out of the real city center imo. Well, it herds the protest out of there anyway. Are folks from offices, shops, and restaurants more likely to wander by, and hopefully hang out, at Westlake…or City Hall?

      • Tommy loyd says:

        I live in Bellingham and am participating where and when I can and don’t really care where they have the tents. The movement is organic and “they” are not going to manage it. The awareness of corporate controll of a ponzi economy is sweeping the country.

  • Joshua says:

    These seem like excellent short-term goals but I think one demand that should go onto the long-term list is that ALL protesters who were arrested for NON-VIOLENT, peaceful civil disobedience have all charges against them dropped.

  • Soliloquy Holdthe Audience says:

    Isn’t it just “four occupancy shelters…”? Although 24 would be nice :) All in all, excellent move. I’m looking or to seeing improved productivity and greater steps to serve our true purpose now that we won’t be going toe to toe w/ the police every night. Keep up the fantastic work, brothers and sisters! I’m proud to stand with you!

  • ondskap says:

    After reviewing our demands, I’m left wondering who will be paying for the services and items we have outlined. Perhaps instead of depending on the government to provide for our cause we should organize and put together the funds to buy these tents and rent that parking space. Perhaps even rent port-a-potties to boot. That will show them that we are serious.

    • Heather Joy says:

      I agree. I was down tonight for the first time to check things out and was listening on the fringes of the GA for awhile. I heard something about 4 tents and thought it was just a need being expressed as far as getting the group itself to set about working on obtaining such things for the group, not that it was a so called “demand” being placed on the city of Seattle. What??? This is not the way to garner more support from the general public – I mean why in the world should the taxpayers of Seattle buy tents for anyone? This is exactly the kind of thing that will harden the scoffers even more against us, and make it all look like a joke. How can we be protesting an establishment and then ask such entity to house us during our protest of them? It does make the movement look incredibly weak, especially considering that such a request will almost certainly be denied. Really, it’s embarrasing. Why not look to the private sector – ask REI or Big 5, etc. to loan or donate. Get local businesses involved. Network for financial supporters. Take up donations and buy some off Craigslist. Start a committee thats focused on procuring these types of needs. Supply our own needs, not ask (or “demand”) that the gov’t supply it for us – isn’t that part of the problem????

      As far as the other demands – use of the bathrooms would be nice, and also fair I think, as most of us are or have been taxpayers, but there needs to be a level of respect and cleanliness maintained (although renting our own port-a-potties is an even better idea!). As far as the parking space – well, it would be nice, but, you know, alot of other people would love to have that too. I mean, from a certain standpoint, “what makes us so special?” You know? I agree that to look like a serious force, Occupy Seattle, and all the other “occupiers” around the nation need to supply our own needs, and not look to society at large to fund them. This is a really exciting movement with alot of potential – hopefully it moves in the right direction! Will be interested to see how mayor responds.

      • Jordan says:

        I fullheartedly agree with Heather on this issue. Pushing for these types of demands is going to make us look bad, in my opinion. Heather’s idea to approach local businesses and communities for the things we are demanding would bring more support to the businesses, themselves, as well as allow us to minimize reliance on the city for resources. Using the City Hall for shelter is a great idea, just simply to get people out of the cold and rain, but I really do think we should minimize our demands and discuss other avenues that don’t involve the city.

      • m.e. anderson says:

        Yea for Heather! Totally agree with her. (And what’s with the helter skelter garbage below?!)

      • vivian says:

        Agreed, good words.

    • jessemulert says:

      As far as the tents, we supply those. As far as who rents the parking space and pays to keep the lights on, that is part of negotiation, you gotta come a little strong. I find that both extremes (we pay vs city pays) could be justified. The argument for the city paying is that it costs them more in Westlake, policing could be lighter, and that a government with right to assembly listed in its constitution should be prepared to create the space for that assembly.

  • Comandante Burro says:

    Are there contingency plans if/when the word is “NO”! Qwest or is it CenturyLink field (?) may be a good suggestion to the mayor.??? This is a true civil insurection at this point. Best none forget that. The jails are already packed. The police/city dont want to take people off to jail, they want this to just blow away. But I sense this will not. It’s beyond control. WE have power, and we need to use it with wisdom, and love. I hate sounding like a bunny in a field of wheatgrass, but there. I wish I had a solid idea/plan, but I dont.

    • jessemulert says:

      This is a negotiation, we’d expect him to say “no” to something, right? And this is not all eggs in one basket, this is merely a method to buy us 24 hours so that we can figure out what we’re going to do.

  • Jess Grant says:

    It is premature to make demands of a city bureaucracy that owes you nothing. The mayor’s political sympathies, along with steady news coverage for over a week, have inflated your sense of self-importance. Making demands before you have political leverage — massive numbers, basically — looks silly. Here’s a way to stay relevant. Hook up with the SHARE/WHEEL campers and make common cause with Seattle’s organized homeless population. Pool your numbers and claim public space together.

    • Lauren says:

      Definitely agree with you, Jess.

    • Amanda says:

      To be fair, the Mayor asked for a list of demands before 8pm tonight or they would start arresting people at 10 when the park closes. Being reasonable and being able to make compromises shows a level of maturity and seriousness that Occupy Seattle needs in order to continue to grow. It also “leads by example”, something that our government apparently needs. Power to the People. With you in spirit.

  • Lauren says:

    You can see it as a practical protest, not a containment. It’s good to have shelter and a presence and what you do with it is up to you. It’s however you want to frame it in your own mind, whether you feel subjugated or empowered and strong enough to accept a compromise. In negotiations, nobody gets everything they want.

    In the spirit of good will I would have requested a meeting with the mayor rather than demanding it. From a tactical standpoint, we need him more than he needs us.

    I hope people don’t get hung up on the demand to meet with the mayor rather than his chief of staff or assistant. That may not happen but it shouldn’t derail things.

    Seems like a missed opportunity to lay out the mission, the long-term goals of the movement and inviting the mayor to stand in solidarity. It also sounds a little entitled. Who gets their own parking space at city hall? You can probably hvae a honey bucket and be happy with it.

    Maybe it’s not fair to criticize since I wasn’t involved but comments were invited. It could have been more mature, and creative, taking the opportunity to say something, add something rather than just demanding.

  • Soliloquy Holdthe Audience says:

    btw, although the vast majority of occupiers will be taking rest at city hall, we will still be present every day, all day in Westlake, in the eyes of corporate seattle where our primary battle needs to be fought. We do not abandon our position with this motion. Instead we will be better equipped to do so, and also strategically positioned to be influential at all city hall happenings. I consider this a victory in better unifying our city (the people, the mayor, and the police) on the path to much needed global change.

    • anais ninja says:

      Every day, that way those who want to come down for the mile-long march up to Westlake can participate. Sleep where you can, but keep the occupation at Westlake.

  • tess mcshane says:

    really, what ever happened to being reasonable people? as much as i’d like to support this group–i can’t stand the fact that a small group of people have hi-jacked something that could have been a good thing and turned it into their own private power trip…listing demands shows you have some entitlement issues of your own. the city is everyone’s and if you’re going to hi-jack a public park and make claims you have the right to do whatever you want there is ludicrous–if you get arrested–you deserve it because you’re no better than the wall streeters who are holding the rest of us captive. i prefer power belong to the rational people…

    • Anon2012 says:

      Everyone is open to hearing ideas – so shout them out rather than criticize those that are doing what many of us can’t. I am so proud of these people no matter what they decide or what they do. At least they DID SOMETHING.

  • Carol says:

    The People’s Permit: The First Amendment

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

  • Marlin says:

    The only way we will effect change is to threaten the status quo. Acts of civil disobedience are the only thing that threatens the powers that be. There is no guarantee the city will hold to it’s agreements with us, and we shouldn’t count on them to. What is important, is that we continue to defy their legitimacy, while simultaneously creating our own structures of horizontal interactions. WE own this world, WE own this city, WE own Westlake, our any other place we chose to occupy. What is happening here could set a “sell out” precedent here. No, I feel like this is a compromise into yet another free speech zone. We should not compromise, we should set the terms of the debate now.

    • Joe says:

      I agree. This is very important to take into account.

    • jessemulert says:

      We don’t all agree that civil disobedience is the only tool available. We don’t all agree that the city isn’t legitimate. In fact, I’d say that your ideas are fringe. There /was/ a vote.

  • NW Home Grown says:

    Quick question: Is there collaboration with other “occupy” cities, i.e., on demands, format of GAs, etc,?

    • dispatch says:

      Good question. Has there been any talk of a National General Assembly? Local GA reps pooling ideas into the national debate?

  • rodzilla says:

    Please make it clear that we only ask for *ONE* parking space downtown, otherwise the media makes it sounds like the crowd wants a bunch of parking for everyone! Free parking to shop? Not the intent of the GA, I’m guessing…your PA folks are not doing their job.

  • Jonathan4212 says:

    It’ll be a good move to City Hall @ night (and then return to Westlake and downtown in the daytime). The move will take the focus off media storyline of protesters vs. cops and puts it back where it belongs: the 99% vs. Wall Street and corporate greed.

    • caleb says:

      I think we should all agree to stay focused on the original issues of Wall Street and corporate greed as much as possible. The police and legal situations need to be dealt with, but lets remember that anyone or anything that changes the subject of the conversation WE started has already defeated us. Our issues are the heart of this movement and should be a 24/7 conversation!

      • jessemulert says:

        This was not a vote to move to City Hall, this was a demand sent to the mayor (at his police-enforced request) regarding what we’d need to consider City Hall an option.

  • Chuck Finley says:

    I can understand the need for restroom facilities, but are you asking for the city to buy you some tents? Or are you demanding the right to have tents?

    I hope it is the latter. Seattle taxpayers should not have to buy tents.

  • Candy Ass Hippy says:

    I demand that the City provide candy canes, rainbows and arranged flowers to make everything sweet and pretty. And a solid gold bidet to clean our lasy spoiled asses.

  • Noam says:

    This decision is a good one. It gives the movement a permanent base, and allows us to focus on actions, education and getting more people involved. It is a huge waste of our time to be focusing on whether we will get arrested or how to deal with that. This is a huge distraction. The focus should be on economic injustice. I propose we have a DAILY event which could be many things- march (on sidewalk) to a local institution that are doing wrong (complete with tailor made half sheet flyers). We could go to the Gates Foundation, for example. Many options here. I also think there should be daily education events in Westlake park on topics relevant to the revolution. I will volunteer myself to lead one.

  • Alex says:

    Prohibit c3, c4 and 527 PACS, passed by Congress!!!
    http://www.wallstreetwatch.org/reports/sold_out.pdf
    Read Page 115 and throw out these reascals taking big money from Lobbyists!!!!!

  • Jim says:

    4 million home owners took out laons they could not afford!!!
    Banks gave them these loans
    Congress/President wanted to push home onwership from 65% to 70

    ALL FAILED !!!!!! ALL ARE GUILTY, GO AFTER ALL !!!!!
    http://www.wallstreetwatch.org/reports/sold_out.pdf

    • Gene says:

      The purpose of the packaged mortgages was to create balanced risk – with extra interest paid for the higher risk mortgages. If the packagers of the financial products were honest this should have worked. However, the complexity of the packaging and the reward for dishonesty on the part of the sellers made the forces one hopes for to keep markets operating fail to provide real-time feedback. Then, as we know, there was so much money tied up in these things that liquidity at all levels has dried up — especially at the consumer level. In the past limits of interstate banking might have provided some “firewalls” to protect local liquidity.

      Profit may be the proper work of elites but the rest of us have to depend on our government to keep the excesses in check. Needless to say, the government in the position to do so was not so inclined.

      High rates of home ownership is good public policy for many reasons – think crime prevention and retirement, for example. The problem was the dishonesty of the interests that controlled the money.

  • anon says:

    seriously

  • vivian says:

    I think that asking McGinn so sign a statement promising City Hall as an indefinite, permanent location is stupid, a waste of time, and unreasonable. If I were McGinn I’d say “no”.

  • ss says:

    I am completely in favour of this protest all over the world, but:You guys, PLEASE find another word for DEMANDS. Why on earth are you “demanding” something from the City of Seattle? Are we trying to take over the city or something? It sounds kind of ridiculous.
    Other than that, “yay” for people.

    • IHEARTCAPITALISM says:

      Is this a picture of you all formulating your demands??

      https://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachments/15843d1318033294-wall-street.jpg

      You all realize that nobody really cares what your demands are, or what you have to say right?

      • DomJolly says:

        the irony here is bordering on absurd. For whatever reason it seems you wish to have your voice heard… You do realize ‘no one cares what you have to say, right?’ (Good job learning how to use your ?’s)

        • IHEARTCAPITALISM says:

          DomJolly..you realize that nobody really cares what you and your group has to say except for..well your small group? Guess what? Soon all your going to be is another Wikepedia page entry because your group will eventually fizzle out. Have fun though. I guess if you don’t work you have to waste your time doing something. Loser.

        • gilbazoid says:

          I recommend ignoring him

          • IHEARTCAPITALISM says:

            Actually..you’re a troll. I’m not a troll, I’m just fed up with your raggedy group of unemployed I mean “protesters.” NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. I enjoy getting a rise out of people on here. Oh, and I also enjoy walking through your group and laughing..laughing at you not with you. In your case ignorance really is bliss.

          • hardworker says:

            I can see it now. I’m going to get “Banned” from the site because I have the “balls” to speak my mind and not listen to a MOB

  • IHEARTCAPITALISM says:
  • occupationist says:

    This movement is about goals, not demands. Those who are making demands, especially the policy sort, don’t understand what this is about. Sure, universal healthcare might sound great to some but who the hell is going to implement it? This movement is about saying “NO!” to the current system and not recognizing its legitimacy while all of us who are collectively saying that come together to actively and democratically build the type of society we wish to create. The only thing that I would recognize as a legitimate demand of this movement is that existing politicians step down and let the people run the world.

    • hardworker says:

      This “movement” ( a movement is something you have in a bathroom) this MOB is running amuck. You don’t like something then change it at the ballet box. Buy stock in the company and change it that way. Most people I have met at different cities say they don’t like the “tea party” seems like you have most of the same goals when I go out talking to people. The one big difference is they do not ask or tell the government that they have to pay for their protest. And as far as all existing politicians step down and let the people run the world? That is working so well in other parts of the world isn’t it? If they ALL step down then who is in charge then? It becomes a vacuum. Then how is in charge of elections? Who is there to make decisions? Do we then place the Military in charge? I don’t really think you have thought this through, or if you have then your not the brightest bulb in the socket. Do us all a favor, get a job, pay your bills, pay your taxes and VOTE.

      • kusuriya says:

        Most of us have Jobs, Most of us vote, Most of us probably pay more taxes than you. Most of us are not only paying our bills but we have taken on extra bills to tell people that we would like some economic justice and to have our government back, so we are actually contributing MORE to the economy than you. We are not asking for a tear down of the system, or for it to collapse, what we are asking for is the system to be returned to the people and taken out of the hands of corps who are not people. Buying stock will not sway the direction of any corp since their founders tend to hold the majority anyway.
        Also we are not asking the government to pay for it in any manner. The mayor asked what our demands would be to move to city hall, we told him we need to be able to set up the tents WE HAVE, and have access to facilities we don’t have at westlake, that we as tax payers pay for anyway, otherwise there is no point in moving.

  • hardworker says:

    This list of demands has been so resolved and passed by the General Assembly of Occupy Seattle this Tuesday, October 11, 2011.

    1. Who is the “General Assembly”?
    2. Who elected them?
    3. Why was everyone not made aware of this beforehand?
    4. Why should the general tax payer pay you a MOB to have access to restrooms? Why not go home to use one?
    5. Why should the tax payers provide you with 4 large tents? Again you want to do this, you provide you own crap.
    6. The tax payers should not have to spend tax dollars so you can protest, us paying for you is NOT A RIGHT.

    • kusuriya says:

      Think twice speak once.
      1.) The general Assembly is our direct democracy leadership group, its open to all that can participate much like a roman forum
      2.) see 1
      3.) The mayor had laid it out a few days before to those that were paying attention. The whole proposal had been on the table other than our demands for a few days.
      4.) Some of our people dont have homes, most of the people also pay taxes, why shouldnt they have access to a building they pay for also?
      5.) seeing as you listen as well as every one else, I will say this once more, WE HAVE THE TENTS. Get it though your thick skulls, we dont NEED the tents we NEED permission to set the ones we HAVE up.
      6.) We are not asking for your tax dollars, even though a lot of us are actual single working/middle class men who pay the most in taxes if you look at the statistics so technically we are paying the most in to protest if we did take tax dollars for it.

      • hardworker says:

        Most people out here didn’t vote or even know of a general Assembly. Walk out here and ask them. Talk to the people out here. As far as access to a public building, I’m all for that, but NOTHING says you have to have access 24/7. Tents? If you read what the general Assembly said, THEY NEED BIG TENTS. They don’t have them. You say you pay the most in taxes? Really? Less than 1 percent of Americans pay over 70% of all taxes. You say you are upset by the “big” oil companies not paying their fair share of taxes, right? Well guess what mindless kool aid drinker, in the first quarted of this year Exxon Mobil made 2.6 billion dollars in this country. They paid 3.1 BILLION dollars in TAXES!!! Yes, they paid more in taxes than they brought in. And they say they are not paying there fair share. That number does not include royalties or lease payments.
        So what is the difference between this and the tea party?

  • q_inrage says:

    …Lets organized a boycott of the banks that participated in the corruption of the economy…

    • Schlubb says:

      Now you are thinking! And when elections come, vote against every politician still in office that voted for TARP. I saw that all the TARP money has been paid back with interest but I haven’t heard where all that money went. Something is way fishy in our government.

      • q_inrage says:

        How do you find out who voted for TARP?
        We need masses to organize and vote this politicians out and do a massive boycott…This system feeds on money…lets starve it to death…until things improve for everyone and just the few…

        You can also move your money…
        http://moveyourmoneyproject.org/press

        • Schlubb says:

          Roll call of all voting history since 1989 is here:http://thomas.loc.gov/home/rollcallvotes.html#

          TARP was part of the Emergency Economic Stabilizations Act voted on in the 110th 2nd sesion of Congress. All those that voted ‘Yea’ should be run out of office. The folks we’ve been keeping in office have been selling us down the river. Their voting history is on the public record. Check the facts, vote them out!

  • q_inrage says:

    Come on Seattle, grow up and stop acting like a little kid…I totally support this movement, but you guys here in Seattle have made this movement into picking fights with and mayor…This movement is bigger than that…We need everybody on our side, so stop picking fights with the mayor and the police and lets talk about how we can make some changes for us and our future generation…

  • practical idealist says:

    so lets see…84.3% voted to move to city hall. But the big news about occupy Seattle is the 15.7 who are adamantly defending a tent. Is this movement now called the “15.7″? And is there not a huge irony in it being controlled by a small minority who seem to have their own agenda?

  • Aristokronik anarkist says:

    why do we protest Chase on Saturday when they are closed? Symbolic protests dont solve our trade policy problems. We should be pro-active in countering the corruption coming from local businesses.Squating in the noisiest sectionof town where toxic air is overwhelming is not healthy.We could take mobile factions to occupy offices fronting for Hedge funds ,cheating workers out of 50%-70% of pay,while getting tax breaks..baranofcouragous.com,beringselect.com,freezerlonglinecoalition,alaskalonglinecodcommision (same office), marine steward council ,alaska crab coalition

  • Aristokronik anarkist says:

    why do we protest Chase on Saturday when they are closed? Symbolic protests dont solve our trade policy problems. We should be pro-active in countering the corruption coming from local businesses.Squating in the noisiest sectionof town where toxic air is overwhelming is not healthy.We could take mobile factions to occupy offices fronting for Hedge funds ,cheating workers out of 50%-70% of pay,while getting tax breaks..baranofcouragous.com,beringselect.com,freezerlonglinecoalition,alaskalonglinecodcommision (same office), marine steward council ,alaska crab coalition

  • Aristokronik anarkist says:

    Put federal injunction on port of seattle for allowing negotiations with shipping,cruiselines and airlines to get so out of whack that we the tax payer are financing(subsidizing) the business costs for them to operate.all while we close our libraries and schools early ,due to lack of property taxes to cover costs.the tax dollars were used to pay the banks bond payments from the infrastructure that only benefits Dutch rule of law flags of convenience and nonworking shareholders from airlines gettting tax breaks while making port pay every thing in airport,while ruining peoples lives with noise vioalations imploding intelligence..But, Getting permission to setup a tent and getting a parking space (24hours) is superficial and should not be considered some sort of victory for those in charge.Its still a distraction the mayor knows how to play considering he is the boss of the cops. Get back to focusing on local issues regarding Wall st and corrupt non working shareholders putting a squeeze on local community.please!

  • MCFADDEN_LIVES says:

    After reviewing several other Occupy wesbites, I’ve came to the conclusion that while no one is supposed to be “in charge” someone REALLY needs to stay on top of the events and promote those events here better. Go look at Occupt Portland. Their weekend agenda is up to date and on the front page. They have had update every 1-2 hours. The only updates I’m seeing here are in the comments section (like this one….IRONY!) and a lot of scattered ideas and complaints.

    Quite frankly it makes Occupy Seattle look bad. What’s today’s agenda? Tomorrows? Is anyone gonna post it? Or are we just expecting to get support from people based off the idea they should just “support us”. A lot of people have turned sour at the idea soley on that disorganization. If we can’t get our demands straight, ok. I get it. That takes some time to agree on a few things. But having a resource such as this NEEDS to be updated more often than troll comments. C’mon guys. Get on it.

    • MCFADDEN_LIVES says:

      After reviewing several other Occupy wesbites, I’ve came to the conclusion that while no one is supposed to be “in charge” someone REALLY needs to stay on top of the events and promote those events here better. Go look at Occupy Portland. Their weekend agenda is up to date and on the front page. They have had updates every 1-2 hours. The only updates I’m seeing here are in the comments section (like this one….IRONY!) and a lot of scattered ideas and complaints.

      Quite frankly it makes Occupy Seattle look bad. What’s today’s agenda? Tomorrows? Is anyone gonna post it? Or are we just expecting to get support from people based off the idea they should just “support us”. A lot of people have turned sour at the idea soley on that disorganization. If we can’t get our demands straight, ok. I get it. That takes some time to agree on a few things. But having a resource such as this NEEDS to be updated more often than troll comments. C’mon guys. Get on it.

      (edited. I need to learn to type slower lol)

    • DomJolly says:

      Perhaps instead of the latest comments, the front page ought to feature the latest forum updates, to direct more traffic there. Also mods could highlight comments that deserve further attention and discussion there, where the discussion is likely to stay more on topic and trolls more easily weeded out.

  • MediaNut says:

    Let me contextualize this. I am currently out of work for the longest period in my life – four months. I am a homeowner and 50 years old. I have taught at a state university for the last decade. If wrong, please correct me. At the height of statewide cuts to services for the poor and mentally ill, Occupy Seattle is DEMANDING taxpayers pay for:

    • Four large tents for Medical, Kitchen, Supply and Info/Tactical
    • Twenty-four hour parking at City Hall (One space for supply purposes)

    Four interrelated points:

    1. This list seems extremely ill-informed and lacking in strategy when it comes to the bigger picture. Most especially, though, it takes from our most vulnerable, who pay a higher price in budget cutting than any of us.
    2. The Occupy movement claims to find inspiration in the Arab Uprising, but good citizens are risking their gawd-damn lives and being killed over there – sacrificing much more than cold hands and crummy sanitation.
    3. To DEMAND taxpayers pay for this while criticizing, in part, the tax code seems, at best, confused. I mean, closing loopholes in our Capital Gains Tax seems like a concrete, practical demand — but this demand list negates this and shows little to no reflexivity. Reflexivity (in the sociological sense) is probably your strongest tool at this point, being that media plays such a huge role. To people wondering about this movement, it makes the movement appear silly, spoiled, and inconsistent – exactly as your detractors want to paint you.
    4. To DEMAND this seems as irresponsible as right-wing demands upon me, from those who say they represent me – smug and privileged, like Eric Canter’s face.

  • narsins says:

    People need jobs, and if jobs are limited, we need to share them.

  • OnePercenter says:

    In Zuccotti Park I protest
    I’m the ninety-nine percent
    All the protesters in Seattle do
    Is sleep in stupid tents

    I’m not really sure what I want
    As I rage against the machine
    This group really has no demands
    But on TV we can be seen

    That’s really what this is all about
    Our fifteen minutes of fame
    Or so the union leaders said
    When I asked them who to blame

    I guess what really gets me the most
    Is that corporations pay little tax
    And those millionaires and billionaires
    I think they should pay the max

    You have too much, I have so little
    Now I want my fair share
    Maybe you worked for what you got
    We’re unequal and that’s not fair

    So that is what I rally against
    To the employed in their offices dry
    So what if we really have no demands
    We just want you to hear our cry

    But what I really, really want
    As I look in my heart and soul
    Is to never have to work like you
    But to live off the public dole