General Assembly notes 10/11

Seattle General Assembly 2011-10-11 18:35

  • Minutes prepared by: Phil Mocek

Facilitation Team

  • Facilitator:
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Opening Statement

  • Aaron
    • have important things to decide tonight
    • important that everyone's voice be heard
    • we are growing
    • we will keep growing
    • need to decide how to keep growing

Emergency Proposal

  • joint proposal
    • written copies distributed to the assembly
    • representatives from each working group joined on stage
      • Jamie – Outreach
      • Kevin – Demands & Objectives
      • Jeff – Tactical
      • Sharla – Peace and Safety
      • Heather – Media
      • Gabriel – Legal
      • Anthony – Hip Hop Occupies
      • Jesse – Tactical
      • Stian – Internet Communications
      • Brad – Fundraising
    • preamble: This is an emergency proposal dealing only with immediately necessary items. In light of the fact that if basic demands are not proposed to the Mayor's office by 8pm tonight, the police will sweep the plaza tonight and arrest everyone. The demands submitted by 8pm will gain us one day of leeway with the police. After that, no matter what, police will be sweeping the plaza and arresting everyone every night after 10pm. It is highly likely that this will crush the movement instead of allowing us to build and really support a national people's movement. This proposal is only applicable to those who want to move to City Hall for nighttime occupation. We do not currently have the numbers to hold Westlake Plaza. By moving to City Hall we will buy time to build numbers and ensure there is shelter to keep warm, healthy, and safe. Please remember that this is Occupy Seattle, not Occupy Westlake. However, we are committed to maintaining a daytime presence here at Westlake. So we're absolutely clear: this is not a proposal to move everybody to City Hall. For those who wish to stay: Godspeed.
    • proposal: First and foremost, we demand that Mayor McGinn meet with nominated representatives of Occupy Seattle in order to discuss our long-term goals.
      • We also have a list of practical demands:
        • Four large tents for medical, kitchen, supplies, and information
        • 24-hour parking at City Hall: one space for supply purposes
        • 24-hour occupancy shelters for the health and safety of protesters
        • 24-hour access to first floor of City Hall for access to restrooms, meetings, and etc.
        • written statement from Mayor McGinn regarding the right to indefinite occupancy of the City Hall site
    • clarifying questions:
      • On tents and supplies: Would we provide those ourselves? Would that be acceptable?
        • Idea is that we are self-sufficient. Not seeking handout, merely necessities. Intention is to do the same there.
      • Is the intent to re-take Westlake Plaza once we have the numbers to maintain?
        • That is undefined.
        • will be a matter of getting the people out once we do, let's pass it through GA
      • What exactly would the police be charging people with?
        • criminal trespass due to city and state laws prohibiting parks from being inhabited after closing
        • It is never legal to camp in Westlake Park.
        • There are parks in City of Seattle with legal camping.
          • They have campsites, and require permits.
          • They are not downtown.
        • Is there any other occupied city in the United States that has moved from their original occupying site upon the request of city government?
          • Portland is in two parks, so clearly they moved some of their people.
        • How will representatives be selected to meet with Mayor McGinn?
          • Through the working groups you can decide on representatives.
          • Facilitator note: This is not really pertinent to these specific proposals.
        • Occupy Wall Street originally occupied Wall Street then moved to Zucotti Park
        • Will we be allowed to return to Westlake to educate the morning commuters who are currently confused?
          • Yes. There will be an information table here at Westlake throughout the day.
        • The park opens at 6:00 a.m. At that point everyone who is sleeping at City Hall can march themselves over here to educate people.
        • On City of Seattle website, there are two proposals. One for City Hall, one for Westlake.
          • If we don't you'll get arrested.
            • I was arrested three days ago and I don't care if I'm arrested again.
              • You don't have to move. This proposal is for those who want to continue occupying without arrest to be able to do so indefinitely.
        • Number of people restricted?
          • No.
        • Will there be legal assistance for those who stay?
          • That is a question for the GA to decide. Legal WG will stand behind the GA.
          • Facilitator note: That is not related to the proposal.
        • Will the campers at City Hall be allowed 24 hours per day?
          • XXX
          • Whether or not these change, this proposal must be in by 8:00pm.
        • Will we be able to assemble here after 10pm without arrest?
          • The park closes at 10pm. It is always up to the police.
        • Someone asked about legal action and that is going to determine whether people leave or stay.
        • We don't know for sure whether people will be arrested. Those are the threats.
        • This is already decided for some people.
          • If you want to take that risk it's up to you.
          • Remember you cannot put tents up here. There you will be able to do so.
        • Is it true that the police plan tonight XXX
          • I have been informed that the Mayor's office has already contacted police to come tomorrow morning at 6:15 at cleaning time.
            • Mayor's Office told police not to come last night, but they did anyway.
    • Temperature check: How do you feel about this proposal?
    • Straw pole: If you wold support this proposal now, raise your hand.
      • clarifying questions:
        • Temp check on the proposal to the mayor or temp check on the proposal to legally defend those who choose to stay?
        • How will we know the Mayor is not trying to coop us into the next election? Or trying to divide and conquer?
        • How can we call it an occupation if we have permission? Isn't that visitation?
          • Facilitator note: We'll open for discussion after clarifying questions.
        • XXX be hassled and arrested for marching out of XXX
          • If we don't need permit XXX
        • Can we just keep the food and medical here, and not camp here?
          • It is unlikely that there can be a permit for overnight tents. Possible, but cannot say one way or another. However, as the medical and food is to serve the protest, it defeats the purpose of moving it from the protest.
      • points of information
        • Whether we stay or go we can discuss later. That is a personal decision. This is a proposal for communication with the Mayor. Let's vote on that.
      • discussion
        • I was here last night all night with no sleep. We had XXX. We had sickness. We had people XXX. I believe this is a safety and health pattern. I do not believe that the Mayor is trying to screw us over. There was too much interference between communication with the acting Lt. and the Mayor. I believe there's a power struggle.
        • From what I understand, the whole point of the occupation is civil disobedience and we're supposed to be defying who gives the rules. If we give a concession to the Mayor or whomever, doesn't that defeat purpose of occupation.
          • To remind you, this is not a vote for a move to City Hall for everybody. Some people want to put up a tent and not risk arrest. This is specifically for those people, so they can have a legal, safe, warm, place to sleep, so they can come back and join those who wish to XXX.
        • Heather: I support this proposal and I support those who want to remain here. However we must grow our numbers. Portland has 10,000 people. At 2:30 last night, we had 50. I am not camping at Westlake. I am not occupying Westlake. I am here for the people. I am here for Occupy Wall Street. I'm here so we can make a difference. We're not being co-opted. We're a powerful voice and we're going to shape this for the people.
        • I am the people also. You are not XXX if you go to City Hall.
    • Facilitator note: It is 7:15. If we do not get rid of extraneous conversation it will become a moot point.
    • Temperature check: Do you want to take this to vote, not discuss it more? This is just for those who will be moving to City Hall, and only if the Mayor meets with us to discuss our long-term goals and the demands of those who will be staying there.
      • time: 19:17
      • Point of process: First round of voting, we look for clear majority. If we don't see one, we do it again and count hands.
      • clear majority
    • block: If we move as a group, we alienate those who stay here. XXX vulnerable. If we move to City Hall, we move away from the corporations XXX
      • Facilitator note: We will now take a vote.
      • Facilitator note: We'll re-vote. Now requires 4/5 majority. If not, it would normally go back to working group, but this is time sensitive, so if it does not pass, some people will have to simply make separate choices. The proposal is not whether we stay or go. It is: Shall these demands be made to the mayor? XXX and XXX 24 hours.
    • vote: 19:23
      • average in support: 108
      • average in support of block: 17
      • block overturned
    • proposal passes
  • proposed amendment to the previous proposal: get written proof and contract with the mayor
    • The proposal already includes this.

Working group reports

Demands Working Group

  • representative: Kevin
  • We have a proposal. We debated this proposal, turned it down, discussed it, then passed it unanimously.
  • We ran through objections and felt needs of both parties were satisfied as they could get.
  • Today, I spoke with office of Representative (Ossikowa?), who proposed bill in the Washington Senate that creates a public state bank like North Dakota's, takes tax dollars out of Bank of America
  • WG unanimously decided to invite him to come here and visit our process.
  • A politician is a human being and this one cares about you, unlike most of them.
  • If we get a public bank and get 2%, that's $900 million back to us.
  • I am only reporting what the WG discussed. Please join us and join the discussion. There's a Facebook group. We would love to see you there.
  • It's hard to percolate demands. We've not voted on any demands or objectives. We would bring them to you if we did. The discussion is fascinating, passionate, and valuable. Please join it.
  • Clarifying question
    • I thought WGs were to make proposals.
      • My understanding that I'm to report what happened in the WG. If there is a proposal, we will bring it to you.
    • Facebook is troublesome, since I have raised issues regarding ethnicity and XXX, I have been XXX. Don't tell me to have a discussion on Facebook. Some of us have no money to put in bank. It's not enough to say we want to change the banking structure. Some of us XXX. We are part of the 99%. I do not care about state credit unions; it's not the only reason I'm here.

Peace and Safety Working Group

  • representative: Sharla
  • occupiers are are most important XXX
  • It's cold, the ground is hard, it's wet.
  • Occupiers have been here for 11 days.
  • anonymous occupier
    • I've adopted these occupiers
    • We keep the peace and safety.
    • My kids feet are wet right now.
    • They need shoes.
    • They need socks.
    • They need guidance.
    • They need you.
  • Sunshine:
    • On behalf of kids and adults staying here, I have a proposal:
      • We start asking for gift cards for Ross Dress for Less as donations.
      • I need a new pair of pants and a shirt, and a jacket.
  • anon
    • I'd like to give these kids a place to sleep that's warm, especially when they're sick.
    • want to start a room share
    • asking fundraising to provide money for XXX
    • rent due first of every month
    • can start quarantine for people who get sick
    • don't want people to catch pneumonia and die
    • I've rented rooms the past two nights, paying out-of-pocket.
    • I asked for help at info booth. Girl there told me to go to Fundraising. I told her to call them. She ignored me. So I got one of the kids to ask her for help. He didn't return. I found her, asked for help. She took her hat off and said I'm on break. So we need to help these kids. Please come talk to me.
  • Sharla:
    • For safety of occupiers, we need supplies
      • wool socks
      • warm clothes
      • sleeping bags
      • four-season tents
    • If you can help, please contact fundraising or gear departments.
    • We appreciate everything Seattle has done for us.
    • We are Occupy Seattle. All of us are occupiers. We all need each other.

Internet Communications Working Group

  • representative: Stian
  • We now have forums on our website.
  • We need people from each WG to contact us about how they want to run the sub-forum for their working group.
    • This will help us move internal discussion off of Facebook, where it's not manageable, and where we have no control over how they regulate content.
    • We're working on setting up a more efficient email distribution system.
      • Many WG have huge lists of email addresses that constantly change. It is hard to manage.
      • We're trying to set up a mailing list for each WG

Emergency proposal

  • Facilitator note: We screen these ahead of time, but are taking this seriously because of the serious focus of the previous emergency proposal.
  • I was here last night when the police kept us up all night and the Mayor got to play hero for not arresting us.
  • Mayors all over the country are working to destroy this movement. McGinn is no different.
  • Demands to McGinn legitimates everything he's been doing to destroy this occupation, makes it seem he'll co-opt this movement.
  • We should not negotiate, not bring demands to the mayor
  • clarifying questions
    • How can we get anything done if we don't have any allies in the political establishment?
      • Our strength is out here, united against the one percent. Our strength is not in back-room negotiations with politicians, even if they want to look like they're on our side
    • Is it still possible to keep one demand on McGinn: to step away from tearing down this movement, our tents, or trying to evict us. Basically, that he step out of the way?
    • What is the real problem here? The government controls you. Why are we focusing on such small things. There were 16,000 people in Oregon at one point. There are not 16,000 here. They could take us all to jail tonight. If the do so, are we able to be here? To clarify, is it worth it to us to stay at Westlake and risk arrest and drop our numbers?
      • point of process: valid topic for discussion, but not a clarifying question
    • My understanding, as an amendment to the previous proposal, this sounds like it nullifies it.
      • The main concern, as I understand, is that some people are getting sick. They cannot stay out here in the rain after mayor took tents, arrested people, and sends cops after us night-after night. We're solving that by allowing those who want to to go stay at City Hall, not negotiating maintaining a base here.
    • point of information: Just because we're presenting demands to the Mayor doesn't mean that our ultimate goal is not to build up our numbers so that we can do what we want in the safety of numbers. Just because we work with them now doesn't mean we're not manipulating him to our ultimate benefit.
  • discussion
    • We have had an offer from Imojo Peace Center to be able to occupy there. So we could use that to recover from the health issues caused by occupying here. Also, if we make demand to the mayor, it will be him pulling us into a compromise. By us holding strong, and if necessary, getting arrested, we are standing against corporations backed by government. If we move, people who do not move will be alienated. This is what the demands make possible.
    • clarifying question: regarding Imojo Peace Center: Are you proposing moving our base of operation to there? Our supplies and medical?
      • No, I am not. I propose that we discuss a recovery center there so that we can recover from whatever happens here.
    • Regarding negotiation: History is filled with movements where they tried to negotiate, speak truth to power, and were themselves manipulated. We are not on an equal playing field. They have media, cops, army, and tons of wealth. We have occupation, public opinion, each other, and the 99%. That's what we need to count on.
    • The reason we are sick is that the mayor took away our tents. There are about 8000 homeless people in Seattle. They do not have a warm bed to to home to. People staying here are majority homeless people. To abandon them is to abandon the 99%.
    • I think that we make a profound statement in both areas. I'm not saying succumb to the governor. I'm asking we have opportunity to cover more ground. Eventually, our numbers will be too large for Westlake despite possible compromise. There are oodles of parks in Seattle. We can occupy them all. Text your friends now. Occupy wherever. The point is solidarity.
    • I was going to say that often times when you are a smaller power going against power that is larger and more powerful, there is no shame in occasionally bending — not breaking — to what they ask you so that you may come back as a force that will grow and devastate that power, by being humble and willing to work together.
    • We have seen countless numbers of movements similar to this one. Never have they worked in the favor of the people if the people are willing to compromise. As I understand it, unless I'm wrong, the point is to defy the system. I contend that the mayor's office is the absolute worst place for this movement to go. We should possibly consider more alternatives before we give concessions to the powers we are supposed to be fighting.
    • We have no choice. Last night there were 50 people here. If we want to grow our numbers, this is whats on the table today. We already voted for the people here night. Among us we decided that we were going. If we want more options, we can discuss it there or here, but we are in it to cooperate. We're here for the 99%. 99. That's most everyone, including police and politicians. That's the movement you signed up for, and on October 15, the hole god-damned world is signing up for it.
    • The other day, I was speaking to group of youth of color and they have been saying that they often don't come out to protests because they're not sure if protesters are serious about fighting the system thats oppressing them. But when they came here, they were impressed with the seriousness of the occupiers who showed seriousness by sleeping out here. If we go to City Hall, thousands, if not tens of thousands of people who are watching may conclude that we are not serious, that this is just another protest, not an occupation. I understand that it may be hard to hold this space. In my opinion, we should risk arrest to try to hold it. In the worst case, we get swept out: I think it's better to go to some neutral place not under the mayor's control, regroup, and keep trying to retake this park. it's the only way this can grow.
    • Sleeping oh the steps of City Hall with permission of politicians who are the 1% is like being a dog sleeping at his master's feet.
    • I disagree with the proposal to negotiate, but unity is important, and solidarity is really important. We cannot abandon each other. If we regroup we must keep moving forward. Tactical should find other location options so we're not limited by City Hall.
    • Point of process: if you want to be done with this discussion, use your signs. Otherwise we can go on all night.
    • Are we still discussing the amendment? My understanding of the amendment is the first part would have a committee that would discuss demands other than the ones that are on the proposal XXX would be struck. Is that true?
      • Initial amendment was that we do not negotiate or bring demands to the mayor because this would legitimate him. As I understand, he represents Wall Street as part of the rulers. We are trying to de-legitimize him and those who rule society as a vital part of the movement.
        • Are you talking about not asking mayor for tents, etc?
          • My understanding was that that was not something we needed to negotiate for.
    • I am a visitor here from Los Angeles. I have been occupying LA. I want to let you know that as an alternative to asking things from your mayor, reach out to other cities. LA has put together donations to Wall Street in New York. If you ask, since it's colder here, we can round stuff up for you, too. I urge whomever is organizing to communicate with LA and with other warmer places. We don't need sweaters. You do.
    • I address those of you who oppose move to City Hall and are brave enough to risk arrest. We need you with us. We cannot allow this movement to be splintered. We don't have numbers now to deter police. I implore you to come with us to City Hall.
    • As a person of color from the south end who has spoken to many people from that same background: If the demands go through, as you leave, these people here who have been standing strong, you will become a joke to all of us. Hence, my frustration right now.
    • My only concern is that we're taking this amendment a very long while after the original proposal was passed. Many people voted for this, including those who brought it, went to the Mayor with demands we voted for.
    • closing stack 20:12
    • Earlier today, I was spending some time thinking about what made Occupy Wall Street successful. One of the main things is that they occupied a privately-owned public space, so I thought to myself, do we have that here in Seattle? We do. Westlake is not one of those places. On city website, there are 30 places listed that are privately-owned and open to the public. I think we should consider those places because we don't need the mayor to let us occupy those sites.
    • In the point of solidarity: Is it possible to all stand together and wherever we stay, stay together?
      • not relevant to proposal
    • When you have a social movement like this, at some point if you want to enact change without destroying the govt you must have a conversation with your political leaders.
    • I observe that there is a dry space beneath the freeway adjacent to the Bank of America Northwest headquarters.
    • Whatever is decided here, I will call on people to stay with me here tonight. When we say solidarity with Occupy Wall Street, with Tahir, XXX, Madrid, Bolivia, Latin America, Tokyo, we should put ourselves on the line to do so. That is solidarity — not to bow to our mayor because it's warm and safe and we get to be legitimate.
    • New York has moved, but they did not do it until they had enough people to deter police. Tonight, they moved to the mayors front door of his house. To do that, we need more people. Seattle still doesn't know what's going on. On the news Saturday after the march, they were still reporting that 80% of people didn't know why you are protesting. Need to send unified message to city about why you are here.
    • My idea is similar to this man's. I agree we should not back down. I have an unusual way to do it. Perhaps we could be like gypsies. Show up at different unexpected location each night. It would be like a rave. No one would know until just before we got there. That way, we would XXX police and create a mystique across Seattle. Everyone would wonder where they would be tonight.
    • Aaron: From Legal WG: Earlier disinformation went out about people arrested not being able to come back to the park. That was not true. Our legal person says, they can ban people from park for violations of park rules starting with a seven day ban, but the mayor's office decided not to do that any more, even before Occupy Seattle. If you want to get arrested, they are not going to ban you from from coming back to the park
    • I notice a concern about retaining numbers. Last night 15 shelters were closed, putting hundreds of people on the streets of Seattle. There is a protest going on right now for those people sleeping outside. If we are concerned about numbers, I propose we stand in solidarity with those homeless people and with all homeless people in Seattle.
  • Emergency announcement: We're running out of time. There's a van here to pick up laundry. It's supposed to start clearing out. We're running out of time to clean up. Need volunteers.
  • Temperature check: Some people are saying that important parts of the discussion have not been heard yet. Some people probably getting impatient. Shall we take this to a vote?
  • Amendment to the proposal: Those who do not want to sleep out here tonight go to Imojo Peace Center instead of mayor's office, where the master will not be watching over you. Meanwhile, those of us who want to stay here, possibly risking arrest, should stay here.
  • It's hard to stand here and talk to you. I don't see enough numbers. I know everyone out there is angry. The system is broken. We can fix it. And tonight, we need to make some kind of statement so the rest of Seattle don't think we're serious. We're camping here every night but they still don't think we're serious. we're still not staying together. we're still arguing about playing in the mayor's hands. Tonight we'll get arrested, but if we all get arrested, more people will come here tomorrow because they'll know we don't take no for an answer. We won't be walked over by politicians and corporations anymore. Those who don't want to be arrested please stay with us, then go home and tomorrow, we hit the streets and wake up everyone and tell them we love them, and this is why we're here. This is our city.
  • There is clarification for people getting arrested: this comes from the people who were arrested during the insurgence of police on our tents. I, personally, also sat on inside the courtroom of the people being arraigned. They are warned that they shall not be caught here in Westlake park or face further charges. This continued until January. So I suggest if we try to protest, after being arrested, be careful. People who were arrested already feel kind of scared and are kind of hiding.
  • Proposal as it stands: We not bring demands or negotiate with Mayor McGinn, and instead of going to City Hall, those who do not want to stay here, or those who need to rest, will go to our allies at Imojo.
  • vote: 20:30
    • roughly 50:20 for
    • clear majority favor
    • motion passes


  • Why are you so angry? I am angry that we live in a world where those who have the most are expected to give the least. I'm angry that those with power do not accept responsibility of rising up against that which destroys us. I am angry that we have a system of justice that places more importance on punishment than on rehabilitation. I am angry that we spend the least amount of XXX on the development of our children. I am angry that our government has come to the petty and unproductive XXX us against them. I am angry that there is so much value placed on fear and ignorance that the pursuit of truth has been replaced by quest for authority. I'm angry that we treat the illness instead of the XXX right to a cure if we can afford it. I'm angry that we deny our right to liberty for free XXX without XXX education not bound by economic frugality XXX forgotten that money is simply a means to an end. I'm angry that we've lost the wonder of humility XXX so that our need for consumption is on the brink of consuming us. XXX I'm angry that every human is not afforded the respect and dignity they deserve XXX continue to fight for space we can occupy.
    • While these concerns are various, each point is intimately connected to the reality of corporate greed.
  • We come together to form one cohesive voice, down the street. The voice is shared. If we don't act, that voice will stand as a testament to failure here. We need your help.
  • Mark with media: Can't make a proposal, but want to provide some info about what's happening in Seattle on Thursday. Mitt Romney will be here at a fundraising event at the Hyatt on Thursday. Will be very close to Westlake Center. Mitt Romney is infamous for making the statement that corporations are people, too. Not only that, but he also described our movement as dangerous. Out of all the presidential candidates, he has received the most money from Wall Street. From the six largest firms that control same amount of wealth as 65% of our gross national product. They're the ones supporting him. Someone might want to organize a response.
  • Most of us have jobs, school, families to attend to. At night, the situations that occur here in Westlake Park within our group change dramatically. I know that we are united in solidarity, but I would like people to think and discuss and put to thought those people who stay here. The GA doesn't necessarily represent every single person, due to the fact that not every single person plays an active role in the day. I would like people to consider having a separate caucus for the night. Things go back to normal in the day, and we unite again in solidarity and respect for others' opinions, thoughts, and concerns.
    • I support it. I don't think you or any group needs to ask permission of GA to form a caucus. If you, other occupiers, anyone else who stays here feels need to come together to feel safe, you have every right to do so. Same for other groups whose voice is not being heard. For example, there's movement to create a women's and trans group. I stand in solidarity with them.
      • I think everyone should be included on this information, so I brought it to the GA.
  • I think we're losing sight. On Oct 15, people from all over the world will take to the streets. From America to Africa to Europe, people demanding rights and to demand true democracy. It's time for all of us to join global nonviolent XXX. Ruling powers work for the few, ignoring the will of the majority and the human and environmental price we all have to pay. This intolerable situation must end. United in one voice, we'll let politicians and the financial XXX they serve know that it is up to we the people to decide our future. We are not goods in the hands of politicians and bankers who do not represent us. On October 15 we will meet on streets to initiate global change. We will peacefully organize XXX until we make it happen. It's time to unite. It's time for them to listen.
  • My name is Doc. I know it hasn't been a long time that I've been here. I have two reports: 1) I infiltrated an infiltrator today. I hope that makes sense. 2) I have a report from Olympia and Yelm: they're mad as hell, we're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it any more. We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore. Olympia starts in three days.
  • I'm Gabriel from legal. After the first proposal passed, listing our demands for the Mayor on a timeline, a communications person and I ran to put it on the web. After which, the mayor's office immediately contacted me to discuss the issues. I told them I cannot negotiate for you but helped him understand what I feel the GA said about each issue. He said majors office is open to discussion, wants to close this by morning tomorrow. Then, I retuned here to learn of the Imojo House proposal. Now, we as a GA must come to an understanding of how these two proposals join into one solid action so we're not divided. I suppose now we should discus this.
    • Who is the rep of Imojo House? That would be a good person to talk to about the proposal.
    • Right now we have someone on the phone who originally offered the space. Might be a different place. We'll bring details as soon as we have them.
    • It has been proposed by word of mouth that we form an emergency working group to reconcile these or attempt to and report back within a half an hours. You don't want to be held hostage by this decision making process. We want all your voices to provide input. In half an hour, for those who feel strongly about this, and I hope, some who are just interested, we will reconvene to discuss this matter more. It is key to the movement that we don't let ourselves be divided by petty ideas like location. I hope we understand that the real matters are social justice economic inequality and the environment.
  • It's cold. On October 22, it's national day to stop police brutality, repression and criminalization of a generation. Since august 2010, 38 people have been killed by the police. In Seattle one of the debates happening here the police won't fuck with us. That's a lie. They killed seven year old Ayonnal Stanley Jones while sleeping on a couch with her grandmother. Killed Native American carver John T. Williams. October 22 is the day we all come together in powerful movement in movement to stop police brutality, repression, and the criminalization of a generation. We see this with he development of ocucpations across the country XXX October 22, stand with people of all classes, of all colors, of all backgrounds to not tolerate police attack on people in any form.
  • Just got word that we need many volunteers for sanitation. Please meet in the back.
  • We only have three people because these go really long, so if you want to help, please meet me right now.
  • Tomorrow at noon, students will be walking out. From multiple colleges.

Adjourned 21:00

8 Responses to General Assembly notes 10/11

  • dsentor says:

    Admin please delete Mr Helter Skelter.

  • carol isaac says:

    Biggest of thank you’s to last night’s VERY short staffed facilitators and amazing work of minute taker. We are still solid.

  • Laurie says:

    One of the most prolific songs ever created by one of the worlds great musicains / peace activists .This song has stood the test of time and is an anthem for peace .

    John lennon 1940-1980

    Imagine there’s no Heaven
    It’s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace

    You may say that I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world

    You may say that I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will live as one

  • DougCassidy says:

    wow, that was quite the meeting. it seems that the 2nd “proposal” or “amendment” or reiteration of previously discussed concerns wasn’t actually a proposal at all. it was not on the agenda, and no 2nd proposal was stated prior to another round of debate on the same issues of the first proposal which had already been clearly decided. then the facilitator, who is not allowed to offer any content, worded a proposal that had not been previously made except by vague suggestion that there should be a proposal, and called for a vote. this happened after a great number of people who had voted on the properly made proposal had left the general assembly – by the vote counts, 44% of the people who voted on the proper proposal had gone home. i can understand why – those assemblies can get a little long and this one became very disorganized!

  • vivian says:

    I strongly support the move to city hall from westlake center. Westlake is an OK location for a quick, short action. However, for a sustained ongoing action Westlake is a bad location. All Westlake supplies is visibility. Since this action has no tangible, concrete demands that can be given by the City of Seattle it makes little sense to fight for Westlake at this point. There are legitimate concerns that small businesses have there who are being impacted, and there is minimal infrastructure available for participants. Seeing as the actions are morphing into long term political encampments, it makes sense to trade off some visibility and media spotlight for a better location more suitable to sustained occupation. This is a very different kind of action where the focus is, refreshingly, on the cause of the problem rather than an effect. Mayor McGinn, and potentially even members of the Police are politically supportive of the action and its messages. This is a very powerful dynamic that can’t be wasted by youthful angst, radical posturing, and naive adversarialism. Cultivate relationships with establishment figures, this is Seattle. Work with them, try to understand their issues and THEY WILL WORK WITH YOU. If we come on with unreasonable demands (like a promise from the mayor that the action can go on indefinitely) then we will experience the guaranteed result. This is time for activism Jedi mind tricks, extreme balanced diplomacy, and a heaping liberal dose of good will. Free speech has never Constitutionally guaranteed that you can disrupt communities or damage public property, and those folks that think that is the way to go can bring down the entire action. Like anything it is about striking a reasonable, manageable balance. If we dismiss our impact on others because our cause is so terribly righteous we will doom the impact of this action for going further than to simply reinforce our own ideas. Yes, we are the 99% that are not rich and exploiting America, but some folks needs to realize that they are among the 1% of Ameicans that are as freaky looking or as radical as they are. You cannot represent the 99% is you are saying things like “US out of N. America”. This is supposed to be about wall street corruption and glass/steagall, so don’t go infusing every far left radical issue and cause into it or we’ll be down there all by ourselves and hitting our head against a wall. This is huge and this includes everyone who is part of the 99%. Keep the messages and focus broad enough to include the mainstreamers and we may be able to change something demonstrable, IMHO. Peace.

  • seespikerun says:

    it was great to see the marchers from all the local schools…this took 5 days of planning and we rallied several hundred kids, but hopefully we can vastly expand the amount of people for the next walkout through more publicity and networking. The SCCC march started on the sidewalk but we eventually took over the street despite all the cops. Taking the street improved our energy and moral immensely. This is what i like to see. Some may say we are angering commuters by doing this, but we end up jamming the intersections with our long line of people when we are on the sidewalk any way. We need to push the boundaries and laws peacefully at every turn. Holding posters on overpasses was also done today and received a lot of supportive honks and even the participation of at least 2 people we talked to, who had seen our signs and decided to go online and find out how to join the rally downtown. IF WE HAVE TO MOVE TO CITY HALL WE HAVE TO STEP UP OUR VISIBILITY ELSEWHERE as well as keep organizing daily events, speeches, marches, teach ins and MUCH MORE SIT INS! We need to pull more publicity based stunts to get our clear message out to the general public even more. I suggest SIT INS AT BANKS, ELECTED OFFICIALS OFFICES and BANNER HANGINGS ON BRIDGES AND BUILDINGS(businesses that are a part of the problem…most effectively i think we should list the appalling actions and facts regarding the business practices of banks and irresponsible corporations. we could TARGET BANK OF AMERICA WITH BANNERS WITH SHOCKING FACTS (such as in 2009 they paid absolutely no taxes and profited $15 Billion.) AS WELL AS SIT INS OUTSIDE OR INSIDE BRANCHES AND CRIME SCENE TAPE AROUND BANKS. Also WE NEED MORE INFORMATIVE PROPS, VISUALS AND THEATER PIECES SHOWING THE PUBLIC JUST HOW BAD THE PROBLEMS WE FACE ARE. ALSO THIS WILL GET THE NEWS DOWN THERE AND ENCOURAGE DISCUSSIONS. I think we could come up with visual representations of how large the US wealth gap is or how much money corporations hoard in earnings verse what they pay for taxes…maybe a rap sheet or list of crimes they have perpetrated against the US PEOPLE for instance we could see could list what the punishment for fraud or theft is and the jail time usually associated with it…then come up with sentences for each company and list which criminal celebrities they would be equal to in jail time if we actually held them accountable. IE charles manson got 25-life …i would venture to guess leman brothers commited fraud several thousand times which would equal 5 or 10 years if an individual had committed it. So they would have sentences of Manson, Hinkley, Terry Nichols, Jared lee Loughner and the Green River Killer combined. Also we could create piles of ping pong balls or balloons to represent the wealth gap with 55% = .003% of individuals in wealth. Im sure you all can come up with many better ideas, but count me in, on working on any of this stuff. We need to step this up. More people…young people specifically will join in if we are doing something other than holding signs and standing around preaching to the choir. I think we also need more civil disobedience of different types to draw more attention….but we need more specific points or information to be communicated with these actions. SPECIFIC FACTS WITH THIS WEBSITE URL AT INTERSECTION SIT INS that will startle the general public and thus gain their involvement. I think we really need to keep this movement productive and FOCUSED ON ISSUES THAT MOST OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WILL AGREE WITH AND SUPPORT. we can work towards “more radical”, like abolishing the DEA and World bank, and similarly divisive and controversial ideas in the coming months and years using the base and clout we are creating now. AMERICANS HAVE A SHORT ATTENTION SPAN AND SO DO SOCIAL MOVEMENTS IF THEY DONT CHANGE WITH THE TIMES AND KEEP REENGAGING THE PUBLIC WITH SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES AND DEMANDS. This movement is still growing but has not yet burst across the middle class and blue collar family line to the extent it can and or should. We need to keep things fresh, interesting and informative. standing around at rallies is good, but we need actions and tasks to engage all our movements participants. We need to feel like we are winning small battles and are actually accomplishing something. We will inspire far more passion and people power if we do these things. WE NEED THE AVERAGE FAMILY TO GET INVOLVED and TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE ACCOMPLISHING SPECIFIC TANGIBLE CHANGE AND INVOLVEMENT IN TOPICS BROAD ENOUGH TO INCLUDE REPUBLICANS DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS! Please help me spread these ideas and discuss it at the GA if you have ideas or agree. thanks – Alex

  • seespikerun says:

    I think the visibility along the freeway would phenomenal. Even if we dont stay over night or have that space as any sort of HQ i think a dozen people or more holding banners and signs along with our website link where people on the freeway can see it, would be a great idea. Ironically bank of america owns one of the spaces along the freeway….perfect.Ive been out and holding signs over freeway overpasses and key intersections or on ramps…I5 Bridge. I would love to see more folks join me. it would only take a handful of people to get a truck load of exposure and attention. Honestly im puzzled a bit discouraged by our lack of innovative and unique demonstration location and tactics. Lets have fun with this. Big corporations would pay millions a year for that kind of exposure or advertising for a product and we can accomplish the same ends with a handful of volunteers,bed sheets, cardboard and some sharpies. Also i know it would be a legal issue, ive been discussing outside of online forums but it would be extremely inspiring to see a CLIMBING, RIGGED CLIMB AND BANNER HANG DEMO. Getting a good climber to hoist up something on the side of a tall building, off one of the main bridges, off a freeway sign or most impressively an industrial crane or one of the electrical towers along the I-5 bridge. Ive seen this type of thing done in the past and it commands respect and an extremely large amount of media attention. in the past PETA, ANTI WTO and ANTIWAR groups…more specifically heroic and brave athletic individuals have done this a number of times in the Seattle area and it received coverage on the BBC, Al Jazeera, CNN International, CBC and in Tokyo …not to mention intense national coverage and most importantly, a ton of conversations within the viewing public both for and against the movement. Any time we make people stop and think critically or inform people of facts, its a beautiful thing. IT is our civic duty. So if you are with me in this idea,DO IT. GET A SMALL GROUP TOGETHER…DONT ANNOUNCE SPECIFICS OR TRY TO RECRUIT ONLINE, JUST TAKE ACTIONS INTO YOUR OWN HANGS. Please, my friends, heed the call for action and engage others around you!!!