Occupy Seattle SCCC Good Neighbor Statement

Occupy Seattle (OS) supports all those that are struggling to make public education accessible for students and workers of all ages and backgrounds.

Many of us involved with OS are students from SCCC and other institutions of higher education. OS stands in solidarity with students and staff on campus and people who struggle against the policies that make education inaccessible–through tuition hikes, cuts to staff, and hikes in transportation fees. We stand in solidarity with those amongst us who have been shut out of campuses because of tuition hikes and those who have lost their jobs or suffered worse working conditions because of budget cuts.

OS will be respectful of the learning environment of the campus, this involves being peaceful and respectful while in route to the restrooms during school hours and respectful treatment of the facilities in the building.

OS will refrain from tagging or the defacement of land or structures at SCCC.

OS also respects the work of the custodial staff and request that all people associated with OS, agrees to clean up after ourselves so as not to overload the custodial staff. The porta-potties available at the site or offsite will also serve to not overload existing indoor facilities.

OS supports the FARMERS MARKET and wants to make our occupation supportive of their use of SCCC space.

Camping on the plaza should cease on Sunday during Farmers Market and breakdown hours will be 6:30am-5pm on those days.

OS supports good relations with our neighbors, supports a healthy learning environment, as well as the healthy need for OS campers to sleep.

In order to fulfill our commitment to being good neighbors as well as to allow other occupiers the sleep they need, OS will limit excessive noisemaking (i.e. drumming/music/loud behavior) to the following hours:
Mon-Thurs : 5pm-9pm
Fri 5pm-11pm
Sat 10am-11pm
Sun 10am-9pm

Drugs/alcohol/smoking policy:

OS wants to create an environment that is conducive for people of all ages, all disabilities as well as people of all different backgrounds.

OS is aware of SCCC’s policy of no drugs or alcohol on campus and we will do our best to inform new occupiers of this

We will also inform new occupiers that at SCCC, smoking is limited to designated areas (which will be marked in at least two areas at the perimeter of OS SCCC encampment)

OS asks all individuals associated with OS to support the mission of the occupation and be responsible both for themselves as well as for the people around them

Behaviors should be accountable to the safety and well being of all occupiers.

OS will display signage and provide handouts at the info booth in order to show awareness and respect for our good neighbor guidelines

36 Responses to Occupy Seattle SCCC Good Neighbor Statement

  • REPUBLIC says:

    What is the difference between the Occupy Movement and the Tea Party?

    Occupy Movement:
    Protesting to an absurd number without a true statistics “99%”
    Tea Party:
    Protesting to a legitimate number with true statistics “53%”

    Occupy Movement:
    Crimes, littering the streets, riots, and including sexual assaults not reported to the police, usurp and defy the law of the land and taking the law in his or her own hands (vigilante style)
    Tea Party:
    Peaceful events, no crimes, no littering the streets, no riots, no sexual assaults, respect the law of the land (law abiding citizens)

    Occupy Movement:
    Censorship, inequality, and removal of profile and contents of anyone that oppose the group, anti-Semite (based on signs held by Occupy Wall Street protesters), and demonize, labeling and name calling the oppositions and other groups
    Tea Party:
    Freedom of speech, equality, and no removal of profile and contents of anyone that oppose the group, respect the freedom of speech of others and no name calling other groups

    Occupy Movement:
    Belief in government entitlements and handouts, such as free education, free food (welfare), free housing (section 8), free transportation, government created jobs, and government given rights that will change the First Amendment to this: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their government with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. . Most of all believers of Big Daddy Government Control and authoritarian control of people
    Tea Party:
    Belief in earning a pay check based on your talents, entrepreneur, small business, innovation, enterprise, I can do attitude, and I work hard and accumulate wealth Creator given rights that will keep the law of the land as such: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Most of all believers of small government and people controlled government

    Occupy Movement:
    Funded by the 1% puppeteer masters Mr. Richard Trumka, Mr. Andy Stein, the insurrection and communist believer Mr. Van Jones, radicals of the sixties, and Mr. Cass Sunstein
    Tea Party:
    Funded by the 53% working Americans

    Here is a secret that I will divulge to you about me:

    1. I am a Christian
    2. I voted for Obama in 2008 and I believed what you believed I was left wing liberal, and when I noticed our freedom was being plucked away and water down by adding more meaning since the 9/11 attacks I started to move my ideologies towards the center
    3. I started to see the reality of change of where is the US Constitution is going with left wing liberals. The removal of Jesus, God, Christianity, the Pledge of Allegiance removal of “under God” and make it unconstitutional to recite in school. Systematically removal of the national anthem, and rewriting history
    4. Mass Amnesty to illegal aliens that is watering down our traditions and values to a foreign traditions and values. Here is proof go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC3xejOJyrI&feature=player_embedded
    Believe it or not, but this the beginning of the USA that will be unrecognizable by the time our grandchildren are our age.

    Last, this group the Occupy Movement is the start of the tipping point where United States will fall and become another Europe and worst of all with foreign influences, tradition and values by the mass entry of population uncontrollable borders and the failed immigration laws thanks to the Dept. of Justice.

    If you remove my profile and posts again then all that I have to say is that this movement is biased and you are you own law, judge and jury, therefore I will be silenced and persecuted by people like you that have blinders and don’t see anything that is going on the left and right. You are just going straight to the end of the road and make the whole nation fall in the cliff with no point of return.

    • John Ellis says:

      STATE RELIGION — SLAVERY
      “I work hard and accumulate wealth… Creator given rights (are) the law of the land… ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal (in ability to achieve wealth), that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights… the pursuit of Happiness(wealth).’”

      LOWER CLASS SLAVERY
      The instinct for survival being such that men will always take all they can take, take all that the laws of men will allow, governments of men are nothing more then the 51% most aggressive and wealthy enslaving the lower half of society.

      THE RIGHT OF SELF DEFENSE
      In the uprisings in Egypt, Bahrain and China, when students were being crushed and slaughtered by tanks in the Tiananmen Square protests in China — students throwing rocks at police — is that a right?

      ORGANIC RIGHT
      Therefore, the lower half of society has an organic right to destroy all control the 51% most wealthy has over them by using harmless non-violent civil disobedience, making it impossible for such slavery to continue.

      • REPUBLIC says:

        Where did you get such information about the “LOWER CLASS SLAVERY”. You mean to tell me that the 51% stole from the poor, boo hoo!! If the poor people instead of blaming, including the socialists in this blogs, the 51%, they need to blame themselves. If you are poor and don’t like it, get educated, work hard, and get off the welfare and section 8. You all have this wrong, lower class slavery is a product of a future classless socialist society. Get your facts straight!!
        THE RIGHT OF SELF DEFENSE here we go socialist, communist progressive liberals are part of the TOTALITARIAN AMERIKA, therefore we will be treated the same as the uprising you are talking about. Quit crying, you and this group will take the nation to the same level like China. Socialism will control all aspects of business, government and people. There you have it!! Remember a socialist nation will ban weapons therefore the socialist elite will be in full control, defending yourself, no such animal. Yeah, we will throw rocks to tanks as well. PEOPLE ARE ASLEEP here. Socialism = Totalitarian.

        Last, YOU DON’T KNOW HOW GOOD YOU HAVE IT WITH THE CURRENT CONSTITUTION, UNTIL IT ALL FADES AWAY. YOU WILL LEARN THAT THE GRASS IS NOT AS GREEN AS YOU THOUGHT. DO NOT PROTEST THEN, BECAUSE YOU WILL BE SHOT WITH WEAPONS, AND YOU WILL BE FIGHTING WITH A BUTTER KNIFE. YOU WILL NEVER SEE YOUR RIGHTS AS AN AMERICAN EVER AGAIN ONCE YOU INVITE SOCIALISM. HAIL SOCIALISM!!

        ORGANIC RIGHT. Go ahead and destroy the 51% You wish you didn’t, you know why because we all be the lower class society getting entitlements from the government and we will pledge as so: Hail socialist! The most pure and right of all government. The government will give me everything that are basic needs, therefore all people will be given rights from the government, hail to totalitarian socialist!

  • USAman says:

    If you’re going to publicly post “facts”, you should make sure you have them straight. First of all, you’re post is so slanted and biased it makes you look slightly ignorant. There are so many generalized fallacies in your comparisons it embarrasses people like myself and causes the few legitimate claims you have to be questioned as such.

    First of all, you’re trying to quote the Declaration of Independence, not the 1st Amendment.

    The Declaration of Independence was a statement adopted by the Continental Congress, which announced that the thirteen American colonies then at war with Great Britain regarded themselves as independent states, and no longer a part of the British Empire.

    Second, the meaning of the Declaration of Independence has been the subject of an insane amount of scholarly inquiry. The first sentence asserts as a matter of Natural law the ability of a people to assume political independence, and acknowledges that the grounds for such independence must be reasonable.

    “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

    They were referring to Britain. I mention this because many people have forgotten this. Even more people have misunderstood the passage, using it as a rally cry for “small government”.

    The next section addresses the Right to Revolution. People have certain rights, and when a government violates these rights, the people have the right to “alter or abolish” that government. Again, not a law, but a Declaration. Then it goes on to list the charges against King George.

    On the other hand, the 1st Amendment is part of the “law of the land” outlined in the Constitution. Lets explore what it says:

    The 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief.

    How is exercising the 1st by a group the “tipping point where United States will fall and become another Europe”…? This particular passage in the Constitution was not drafted or considered to protect just popular belief. If unpopular belief didn’t need to be protected as well, we wouldn’t have a 1st Amendment. Regardless of what sides people take, the weight of anyones rights does not change.

    The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The 1st Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments. (See U.S. Const. amend. XIV).

    The claim about handouts, welfare, housing, education, etc… Are you for real? In a country that is so great, you don’t think we should be looking out for one another? You think our Founding Fathers meant to create a “eat or be eaten” society in which case the Constitution should say “Me the people” and not “We the People”? And do you know what “unalienable rights” are as stated in the Declaration?

    Unalienable rights are rights that are unable to be given or taken away from the possessor, and these rights are described in the Declaration. Again, think about the context of this document and when it was created — Where does it say to trample your neighbor in pursuit of your happiness?

    Where in the Constitution are your claims and references about God? Nowhere except at the end where it says “Year of our Lord”, which was commonly used in many sects of society as a way to describe a spot in a timeline.

    However, God is referenced in many State Constitutions: California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Colorado, Washington, Iowa and Massachusetts, and the U.S. territory Puerto Rico. They generally use an invocatio of “God the Almighty” or the “Supreme Ruler of the Universe”. But this in no way gives a religious believer any more rights than anyone else, and certainly does not trump the federal Constitution.

    “Believe it or not, but this the beginning of the USA that will be unrecognizable by the time our grandchildren are our age”… Yeah, I know man. I don’t recognize the USA my father had, much like he doesn’t recognize the one his grandfather had, much like the one his fathers father had, and my grandchildren won’t recognize the one I currently have. It’s called progress and our Founding Fathers paved the way for that.

    Let’s start thinking about “We the People” again — that’s what the United States of America is supposed to be about. I’m tired of the “me me me” shit. Equal taxation — equal representation.

    • REPUBLIC says:

      USAman, thank you for the education about the Deceleration of Independence. You are correct. I should have read my comments a few times before I publicized. Yes, I admit, it made me look ignorant, therefore that makes me human.

      1. Please educate me what is the symbol of the fist, that is proudly displayed on this website. I have seen socialists and communists revolutionary using as for the power of the people. Really? Power to the people? Socialism and communism is not power to the people it is the power of the 1%.

      2. I own a house for the past 9 years (still paying mortgage) and 2 cars one is a 2001 and a 2006(paid in full)I own a living room and bedroom set that I purchased back in 1997. Three years ago I purchased my first flat screen TV (paid in full) because my old bulky TV that I had for 10 years broke. I own a computer that is 4 years old. I have some money invested in the evil capitalism system that I gain and lose money. I am not rich, and I don’t earn more than $50K a year and it’s not a union job, but I have healthcare and dental that I pay for. Did I mention that I lost 2 jobs in the past 10 years because of this wonderful economy that we been having since the 9/11/01. I know, who cares about my life story, boohoo! The reason that I mention about my life is that I don’t feel oppressed by the evil capitalism and the 1%. I have a choice to own what I want by saving up for it or with credit cards without limitation like everybody else. I can be like the Materialistic America to buy out of impulse the newest technology and all the cool new gizmos, that new 40K – 60K car or those nice $100 shoes to show it off to my friends and live above my means, but I chose to live below my means because I would like to keep some money for rainy days.

      3. Honestly, I feel that this Occupy Movement is made up by folks that have credit card bills coming out of their eyes, nose,mouth, and ears. Now these folk feel oppressed by the 1% (the 1% are the job providers) and the evil capitalism, the reality is that We the People inflicted self oppression by becoming consumers and buying more than we really need and living above our means. The more we buy the more the 1% get richer thanks to the uneducated 99% impulse driven consumerism drive of America.

      4. Please don’t tell me the wealthy stepped on the 99% to gain wealth, we willingly gave our money and the money that we don’t have to them, because we are a bunch of uneducated greedy consumers. Almost everyone, except small business owners, work for the 1%, by changing from private capitalism to state capitalism will not change a thing. The rich will get richer and the 99% will still willingly give money to the 1%, because we don’t have the entrepreneur mentality that it takes to make this country better and more productive. Now depend on China to produce and sell products to the hungry materialistic America.

      5. “The claim about handouts, welfare, housing, education, etc… Are you for real? In a country that is so great, you don’t think we should be looking out for one another?” Sure we do, and that is through giving to charity, reach out to your neighbor and help him/her; and stop being so rude to each other; and back stabbing each; or steal from each other. We can help each other by starting to become more entrepreneurs providing jobs and give to charity and stop asking “big daddy government” for handouts. This country is great because people the 1% worked hard (except for the one that inherited from their predecessors who worked hard to get to that point)to keep this country great. I am not trying to defend the wealthy, but what is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong.

      6. Remember if big daddy government gives us everything that we need, then they can tell us what to do. This type of government that you are seeking is the same as living with our parents where everything is provided for, and they tell us what to do. Sure we will be happier and we will become less doers, look at the welfare and section 8 recipients. The attitude is why go to work or become a business person if I just live a easy life by being provided for my basic needs. There is no motivation to do better, so all their disadvantages and self inflicted oppressions are to blamed to the 1%, the government and the middle class for not sharing the wealth.

      7. I know it is so unfair that we have to work so hard to get all the basic needs, look at Bill Gates. This man worked hard and used his brain and joined the entrepreneur life, and look what happened he is wealthy. What if he thought like the few of the Occupy Seattle blaming everything to the 1%? I know he stole that money from the 99% he stepped all over you and I, please!

      8. It is easier to reach out your hand and get those basic needs from the government than it is to work hard or become an entrepreneur and get wealthy, darn it!! That evil 1% is stealing our money.

      My fellow American Brothers and Sisters let us join together and became Americans with creativity, entrepreneurship, help one and another without asking big daddy for anything. We can take care of each other without government intervention. We can create charity that can help a person in need. Look at Japan the people help each other out and don’t back stab or steal from each other.

      We can start to treat one and another with respect regardless race or point of views we will be better equipped to help each other if our attitude towards each other is less selfish.

      Here is an example how the Washingtonians and the rest of the USA feel overall. I have been in this State since 2001, and one of the few things I have noticed is when I accidentally cut someone off while driving on the road and I gesture that I was sorry, the victim that was cut off gestures back by flipping off and other obscene languages comes out of the stink hole, did I lower myself on his level and replicate the gesture? No, I just went on with my business and forgave this person for an uncalled gesture and profanity. Another time a person pulled out of a driveway and cut me off, and I naturally stepped on the break and honked the horn. Although, I thought it was accidental on her part, perhaps she did not see me. This individual positioned herself in a way that I can see how sorry she was by flipping me off, but the kind of person that I am I did not flip her off, I was a little angry, but I forgave her. She made me feel that it was my fault. Go figure. This is why Washingtonians and the rest of the USA are oppressed because the hate they have for each other.

      THE MORAL OF THIS STORY IS LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AND TREAT YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU WANT TO BE TREATED. SELFISHNESS BETWEEN NEIGHBORS CANNOT BE CHANGED BY THE GOVERNMENT GIVING US EVERYTHING, BUT CAN BE CHANGED BY PROVIDING CHARITY AND RESPECT WITH ONE AND ANOTHER BY REACHING OUT AND GRAB THE OTHER PERSON’S HAND BEFORE THEY FALL OFF THE CLIFF. GO ACROSS THE STREET AND HELP A FELLOW AMERICAN IN NEED WHEN THEY ARE IN A DESPAIR.

      • USAman says:

        Republic- Just to clarify, I am not a 99%er. My political affiliations are largely republican except when it comes to certain issues. I do believe in a laissez-faire ideology — however, intervention is proper and necessary when individual rights come into question. Specifically in this situation, exploitation of working individuals or groups.

        Exploitation is one of those vague principles that can only be addressed through the judicial concept of “Substantive Due Process”.

        This concept holds that the Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause is intended to protect all unenumerated rights considered fundamental and “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty,” and theoretically protects against exploitation or legislation that creates an undue burden on individuals, or on an identifiable group or class of citizens.

        I’m proposing that the control that corporations have on things such as rents, interests, profits, and need based goods, violate an identifiable groups rights against undue burden. There are laws that are facilitated by states in which I argue make them unconstitutional.

        This battle is hardly a new concept in the United States. Issues such as safer working conditions, child labor, the right to organize, the right to work without joining a union (believe it or not at one time), among other things is nearly as old as our country. When people cannot afford the necessities, and I don’t mean the newest phone, yet they are working just as hard for as many hours as we have; then something isn’t going with the flow and disrupting evolved growth. Especially when record profits by companies are being produced every quarter.

        States have a responsibility to provide for the safety and security of the public and to facilitate prosperity to all. When they cannot provide ALL of these, they cease to exist in the form of legitimacy. There is a serious problem going on right now in that the states, both local and federal, are failing to address large groups of people.

        One thing that I do not agree with is this notion of a paternal government. Weaken individual character among the people by comfortable reliance and the whole nation will soon become incapable of self-governance, and fit ONLY to be governed.

        Use the Constitution for what it’s for, not what anyone makes us think it is.

      • USAman says:

        Someone flipped you off for cutting them off? Where I’m from people do more than that — try driving on the DC beltway sometime.

        • REPUBLIC says:

          Let me see if I can guess correctly, people get shot? What I meant by saying about people flipping off is people do not care for one and another, courteously, respect, care, and help each other instead of devour each other like we are a bunch of animals. I don’t care for people that flip me off that is the least of my worries I just used it as an example of the type of people we are.

          We are humans and it feels like that we are different species among people that will jump on each other throats for any reason. That is why our country is ran by a bunch of greedy people and a corrupted government. Watch the negative ads, oops they started already with the news media, where one expose the other dirty laundry. People get sucked in these negative ads, but if they did their own little research of each candidate on what they have accomplished in the past and weigh in the negative and positive aspects of the individual I believe that we would be able to make a better choice when is time to vote. Everyone makes mistakes there is no reason to attack each other, just let the people know what they will accomplish if they are voted in office.

    • John Ellis says:

      As government will never be anything more then the 51% most wealthy enslaving the lower half of society, is it possible for our Occupy movement to negotiate a peace treaty with government, such that we of the lower half can have our own government?

      And if such a thing were possible, the lower half of society having its own independent and autonomous government, could we end up with a fair and just government?

  • msmikestew35 says:

    Dear REPUBLIC,

    Middle class small business owners, entrepreneurs are daily victimized by the big capitalists. Actually, they are caught between two classes and forever uneasy and thus unable to derive a correct perspective from their personal experience.

    They need the working class to be their paid laborers, but they also have to give up much of these profits to the bankers, landlords and other capitalists that tower over them. If they happen to be an uplink to a massive chain (like a small cattle farmer selling to McDonalds), then they are just getting by.

    Actually some of these small business people make very little money. They make less than some people of the working class proper – like doctors and engineers. But still the small business people feel that the working class is to blame for their plight.

    That is why the OWS movement needs to sharpen this idea of the 99% – it is not simply about the amount of money one makes, while that is of course one very crucial component.

    You also seem to think that the rich make money because we are consumers. That is rather backward thinking. The rich make money because we the workers do not own the means of production and are forced to sell our labor to them at the cost they deem profitable to them, in the competitive capitalist market.

    And they (capitalist class) do not make consumer products exclusively of course. Much business is between huge corporations, corporations and governments etc. Actually the consumer economy is a lot smaller than the overall economy. How could this be any different? If we leave out the luxury items (that only the capitalist class can afford), the consumer economy is driven by people’s salaries primarily and the ever harder-to-get credit.

    Capitalist economy does not work by the production of goods/services for people. That would indeed be a socialist economy. The capitalist economy works by extracting surplus value and exchanging that across different corporations.

    Nick Beams had some very good articles on this process. Perhaps I will post if I find them again.

    Again, I want to commend you for the polite way of address. No one wants to limit a discussion. What has happened in the past is some direct disparaging remarks, insinuation of violence against OWS members. These should not be allowed as they do not help further a discussion.

    • REPUBLIC says:

      Agreed that direct disparaging remarks insinuating violence should be prohibited, because that infringes on someone’s rights. By the way, you have some good points. Thanks for taking the time to clarify some things. Small business is a victim of capitalism because it is hard to compete with such a big corporation.

    • John Ellis says:

      If this world has no purpose but to maximize pleasure, then capitalism is the only way to go.

      For as the book “Up The Down Staircase” most poignantly illustrates, capitalism enables everyone to quickly rise to their highest level of incompetence, which is their high watermark in pleasure and glory, whereupon they start to manage those more intelligent and plateau off.

      Likewise, if the purpose of this world is to establish a full and perfect understanding of darkness, an understanding of how liars enrich themselves upon our misery in darkness — then also capitalism would be the only way to go.

    • John Ellis says:

      “some people of the working class proper – like doctors and engineers.”

      Much illusion and deceiving confusion in his comment. Like the above example which groups upper middle-class degreed professionals who earn over $1 million a year, with a laboring class that is kept impoverished by slave-labor wages.

      For small business people are all of the educated middle-class, most all hoard greater wealth then they would under a different form of competition and not hardly a one wants anything to do with our Occupy movement.

      • donny1020 says:

        Nobody asked you to speak for the working class. From your writings I can see your preoccupation with demonstrating your intellectual ability over those you claim to speak on behalf of.

  • msmikestew35 says:

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/may2001/corr-m01.shtml

    It is a reply to a reader who has a conservative view. I think Beams does a nice explanation on socialism, american worker, the constitution etc. REPUBLIC : I would like your comments on this, if you get a chance to read it.

    Socialist Equality Party is committed to political education. We are not hostile to the middle class. But we clearly see that the working class is the only class capable of reversing the trend. But the working class in this struggle do make an appeal to the middle class. We are objectively united in this struggle against the big capitalists.

    • REPUBLIC says:

      I appreciate the link I just bookmarked and I am going to read it thoroughly. Just give me a couple of days and I will make comments. For now here is a question, will changes into socialism causes the fall of the other political parties that we have in the USA?

    • John Ellis says:

      “working class in this struggle do make an appeal to the middle class.

      Actually, there is no such thing as the “working class.” To wit

      USA
      .01% High Society
      10% Country Club class
      40% Educated Middle-class
      50% Uneducated Laboring class

      WESTERN EUROPE
      .01% High Society
      10% Country Club class
      75% Educated Middle-class
      15% Uneducated Laboring class

      Comes now the Socialist Equality Party and its wsws.org to be completely void of laboring men. And factually so, for socialism is the concept that the Educated Middle-class, the supervisor and middle management class, should have absolute rule over society.

      And the reason why we will never have socialism in our grand Empire USA, this is because those with a middle-speed brain are only 40% of the population.

    • REPUBLIC says:

      Okay, it took me longer than I expected to read the article. I do understand the difference between free capitalism and social capitalism. I see China has a social capitalism, but the people are still divided in three classes the wealthy (government and its elite)and the laborers and the poor that live in rural areas that barely making ends meet.

      THE PERFECT SOCIAL CAPITALISM
      A social capitalism should take care of all its people in the country, right?

      1. No one should struggle and everyone should have all basic needs provided.

      2. There should be no currency and it should be based on bartering whether by service to others or sharing goods.

      3. All the society should have equal representation the same amount of needs met including the rural society. A classes society includes the whole society as a whole whether the person is capable or restricted due to health issues.

      4. The government and its elite should not be wealthy because they are representing the people and should be humbled as well. Leading by example.

      5. The government should own nothing it should be there for law, order and help solve desputes.
      a. It should have no obsolute power but should have equal representation like the current constitution.
      b. Our constitution would work if the representatives are not corrupt and driven by money.
      c. Representavies should be connected to their constituents and not having any barriers.
      d. An individual citizen should be able to talk to and approach a government representative just like when two friends meet

      6. Society should not be oppressed by the government.

      7. Armed forces should exist to protect a souvereign country and not using weapons against the society.

      8. Society should not be oppressed and should be given equal rights as the government enjoys.

      Now that is a perfect society. If that can take place I can live with it, even if it means I do not own property except for a home and the piece of land that my home seats on.

      This is a way that I believe that all people should live like.

  • seespikerun says:

    I completely agree.

    EVERYONE: lets think about this logically before i rant…. so if someone calls the cops then what do we do? give them the stink eye? vote them off the island? call the cops for trespassing? there is no logical answer unless you are suggesting a GA trial or something (which the perpetrator will obviously not attend ) or worse yet, that we have a hierarchy of people monitoring behavior as some pseudo police force…which would be totally illegal and therefore anything short of force…would not be of any use. the force would have to be greater than that of the entire SPD….this is a silly idea folks…lets stop wasting out time with it!

    Also…isnt that obstructing justice or furtherance of a felonious crime/conspiracy of a crime? if we witness a felony and actively cover it up? IS GA ACTUALLY ASKING US TO PARTICIPATE IN A FELONY!??! GA may want to know before any votes

    We are not going to be some safe haven for people who also illustrate the type greed and violence we’re supposedly fighting against! Sexual or Physical violence should not be tolerated, period. BESIDES, OFTEN TIMES THERE ARE UNDERCOVER COPS IN OUR CAMP ALREADY, SO ITS JUST IGNORANT TO THINK WE ARE KEEPING THEM AWAY. We are simply letting them build up a case against us, and evict us. If you havent noticed OUR NUMBERS HAVENT GROWN IN ALMOST 3 WEEKS…BECAUSE OF THESE DUMB IDEAS THAT KEEP MOST COMMUNITY MEMBERS AWAY. STOP WASTING TIME WORRYING ABOUT COPS, WE CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THEM WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT!!! I dont think drugs are as big of a deal, it’s your body…but for godsake pick up your needles if you are using and pick up your butts after smoking. Id rather everyone shoot up down the block if they really “have” to, its not that hard to do. We dont need a bunch of bs excuses for cops shutting us down. Dont get me wrong, i think we can handle most logistical and verbal abuse problems ourselves, but until you are a strong enough force to take on all of SPD no one will listen to you except a handful of self righteous armchair revolutionaries and the people hoping to perpetrate these crimes. We are sending a message to the community…come and victimize us!!! I used to be involved in the Seattle drug scene…there are lots of people that will gladly take us up on our little openhouse giveaway if we let them. Its one thing if people are acting poorly or disrespectfully…we can handle that i think, but we have no enforcing body to implement our rules. I will not let this movement be undermined by selfish choices and a policy of “what’s best for the whole group”. WE ARE NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, STOP HIDING AND ALLOWING ABUSE. For one, we will scare people who are vital to this movement, we will cease to increase size if we have no standard quality of living. I didnt join this group to have some stupid internal gustapo deciding what is okay and when to call the police. In any case, YOU CANT STOP ME OR ANYONE ELSE FROM CALLING THE COPS…so until you have any way to back up this craptastic idea of autonomous security…it is a non-issue.

    • REPUBLIC says:

      I did want to say something about the self autonomy by removing the SPD from the equation when a crime is committed, but since my views are conservative, I thought it would have been a waste of time in my part to say something to the group where it would have been taken out of context or it would go to deaf ears.

      I am glad that there are smart people in the group that can see what is right and what is wrong. As far as keeping the area clean is for everyone doing their part. The law still applies about to all about littering, drinking alcohol in public, and possession or use of drugs.

      If the group wants to be seen as credible help those in need sending the drug and alcohol addicts to rehab. Legalizing drugs is not the answer. Again, people need to help each other, the government helping people is not the answer, period. Enough said, I feel like I am beating a dead horse and my comments go to deaf ears because I am a conservative therefore your group ideology makes me less than your group.

      Although, I am a conservative I, too, was once was far left liberal for big government. One thing I realized whenever the government gets bigger and try to fix things it results in over taxation, more failing social benefits, and the next failing social benefit is the new healthcare, (look at Medicare and Social Security the systems are broke due to greed that the people in the government use for their personal gains), cutting the military defense and technologies to the point of weakening our nation’s defense, failure and weakening of the control of the south of the border.

      IMMIGRATION LAWS AND DEPORTATION OF ILLEGAL ALIENS ISSUES NEEDS YOUR ATTENTION AS A PRIORITY

      Failure and weakening of control of the south border and people overstaying their visas where the Homeland Security and ICE cannot account for as far as 13 million illegal aliens in not just this administration that is not doing anything about it, but past administrations failed as well to strengthen our borders. THIS IS ONE OF THE THING THAT THIS GROUP SHOULD BE FIGHTING FOR PRIORITY OF DEPORTATION OF ILLEGAL ALIENS AND CONTROL THE BORDER. If this is not part of your agenda then you should be blaming yourselves for future attacks in our soil, just like the 9/11. What makes you think that among the good illegal aliens there are not some with ill intentions? THE BURDEN RESTS UPON YOU TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT OUR SOVEREIGN COUNTRY FROM INVASION OF POSSIBLE ENEMY ATTACKS!! Please don’t say that this administration is doing something about it, because each individual State in the USA is trying to enforce immigration laws, and the Administration and the Department of Justice is fighting them tooth and nails.
      Your comment about immigration is greatly appreciated. Please let me know if you will voice out for strengthening our borders and deportation of all illegal aliens.

      • seespikerun says:

        please dont get discouraged republic….we need you and your friend’s opinions. We need a ying to our yang. we should be a group which walks the middle path in trying to meet all demographical interests and needs as long as it does not interfere with the safety, property or happiness of others.I consider myself liberal but feel we need to give all opinions fair consideration. 50% of the country is conservative …we need to have their voices heard if we truely are the 99%…and same with far left. Im sure there are many issues we will never all agree on, but i think WE CAN AGREE ON MANY THINGS. We need to focus on broad topics which have high public approval rating on both sides of the isle…and outside the isles too. I think the economy needs to be addressed first and foremost and then we can start fighting over where to go next. BUT IF WE DONT HAVE THE CLOUT OF REPRESENTING THE GENERAL AMERICAN PUBLIC OR ANY VICTORIES ECONOMICALLY IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT WE WANT…we wont be able to achieve it without massive support. Love to you all. The opinion of the silent…and those who would not normally come to GA is just as important…if not more so than those who are outspoken and there in present. I think public opinion polls can really help this movements direction…and hope you are not discouraged to the point where you wont come and speak up…even if you feel that you are out numbered by opinion…WE NEED ALL OF YOU

        • John Ellis says:

          TWO CLASS WAR

          Thanks to High Society and the deceitful way it trickles down only 20% of the wealth, the inhuman way it trickles down nothing but starvation wages to the lower half of society, only the 50% most educated and wealthy have decent jobs, decent homes and lifesaving healthcare.

          Now, as Occupy Seattle is the last hope for the lower half of society, as it offers to do nothing for the upper half but give a haircut to their wealth, could you run by us one more time your one-morality fits all policy?

  • msmikestew35 says:

    Dear REPUBLIC,

    It is difficult to give an answer to your question briefly about what would happen to other parties upon socialism. But we can look at history, where in Soviet Russia this happened in 1917. The socialist government came as a result of a large number of different political parties (Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Social Revolutionaries, Kadets etc)

    There was a furious debate among these various political factions, and the masses looked at what each group was saying against the realities they faced (which was war, hunger, more war etc)

    So the masses chose the Bolsheviks on Oct 1917. However, there was a revolution in February 1917 which was not led directly by the Bolsheviks as they were mostly in prison or exile. (Lenin for example) The masses won with no direct leadership.

    The political vacuum created was filled by the Mensheviks, social revolutioaries who tried to hand the victory of the masses back to the monarchy. The Bolsheviks stayed clear of this political morass and determinedly organized workers, peasants and soldiers in committees (called ‘soviets’) all over Russia.

    Here, the peasants were the middle class – they had some land so in a way similar to some of you that have a small business. Notice that the Bolsheviks did not ignore this group.

    In turn, masses learned to recognize the treachery of the other parties. That is how within a few short months, the masses chose Bolsheviks as their leadership. Bolsheviks directed the revolution in October and it was one of the most bloodless victories of the working class anywhere in the world.

    So, to answer your question, I believe a period of crisis (like the present) will usher in all sorts of new political parties, factions. But Americans will subject what each of these parties claim with their own experience and learn to identify the party that has the correct program for its emancipation.

    Now, after socialism, what about the other parties? Well, they would have been proven to not have the correct perspective, I would think. So it is unlikely that they would be in a powerful position.

    Not sure if that answers your question. Feel free to ask any clarifying questions.

    • REPUBLIC says:

      I hope that I am not a thorn on your side can you help me understand why was President Chavez (Argentina) able to abolish the constitution and the government and introduced socialist constitution so easy, but President Obama is not doing it? I noticed that our president and his circle have socialist ideology, therefore it should be easy to conjure up an Executive Order with the current constitution at anytime with a strike of a pen (a pen is mightier than a sword). He should be able to cease the current constitution with an executive order and start a new one, right? He made it known that the current constitution is antiquated, well he should be able to scrap it and use another constitution like Chavez was able to do. I stumble upon a website http://www.revcom.us/socialistconstitution/SocialistConstitution-en.pdf that has a proposed draft of the a new constitution, and I skimmed through it. This constitution is like day and night compared to the current one, interesting I might want to add.

  • USAman says:

    Republic- Just to clarify, I am not a 99%er. My political affiliations are largely republican except when it comes to certain issues. I do believe in a laissez-faire ideology — however, intervention is proper and necessary when individual rights come into question. Specifically in this situation, exploitation of working individuals or groups.

    Exploitation is one of those vague principles that can only be addressed through the judicial concept of “Substantive Due Process”.

    This concept holds that the Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause is intended to protect all unenumerated rights considered fundamental and “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty,” and theoretically protects against exploitation or legislation that creates an undue burden on individuals, or on an identifiable group or class of citizens.

    I’m proposing that the control that corporations have on things such as rents, interests, profits, and need based goods, violate an identifiable groups rights against undue burden. There are laws that are facilitated by states in which I argue make them unconstitutional.

    This battle is hardly a new concept in the United States. Issues such as safer working conditions, child labor, the right to organize, the right to work without joining a union (believe it or not at one time), among other things is nearly as old as our country. When people cannot afford the necessities, and I don’t mean the newest phone, yet they are working just as hard for as many hours as we have; then something isn’t going with the flow and disrupting evolved growth. Especially when record profits by companies are being produced every quarter.

    States have a responsibility to provide for the safety and security of the public and to facilitate prosperity to all. When they cannot provide ALL of these, they cease to exist in the form of legitimacy. There is a serious problem going on right now in that the states, both local and federal, are failing to address large groups of people.

    One thing that I do not agree with is this notion of a paternal government. Weaken individual character among the people by comfortable reliance and the whole nation will soon become incapable of self-governance, and fit ONLY to be governed.

    Use the Constitution for what it’s for, not what anyone makes us think it is.

    • REPUBLIC says:

      USAman, I understand the struggle that this nation faces, but not all rich people hate the so called 99ers, no I am not rich nor I am the 99er, because I feel that if I work hard I can achieve where I feel comfortable without asking for more or less. I believe God will provide all that I need. I don’t need “big daddy” to take care of me.

      We do have issues in this country and I believe that the first thing that our government has to do is by prioritize the issues.

      1. IMMIGRATION – Secure the border and deportation of illegal aliens — for national security, sovereignty, and this will free-up jobs for Americans. I know some jobs that illegal aliens are doing is beneath us, but people will work if there are jobs available.
      a. Revamp the immigration laws and make it a federal crime to enter illegally or overstaying a student/visitor visa with mandatory jail time.
      b. Create a special immigration courts and judges that will be specialized in that arena.
      c. Prevent illegal aliens from suing our government to have social benefits that are entitled to legal residents and citizens.
      d. Amend the law that makes a child born in the USA automatically a citizen, except with proof that at least one parent is a legal alien. Both parents will provide a sample DNA to ensure that the child is theirs.
      e. Reorganize Border Patrols by having a paramilitary that will protect our borders (made up by former military personnel), not just entry points, but all along the border should be manned 24/7. If we can keep the 32 parallel (Korea)from invasion we can do the same in the USA.

      2. WEALTHY AND TAX — Instead of increasing tax on the rich give them incentives to open businesses in the USA, especially manufacturing companies therefore jobs will be created and revenues will come in as well to the government.
      a. EPA should ease implementations of keeping our environment safe by helping businesses and not muscle their way to make business hard for them to make a living. This will help the economy, keep prices competitive with foreign products, and keep jobs in the USA.
      b. Increase taxes gradually and not rushing to take away a chunk of money away from business.
      c. Ban lobbyist and special interest from running the government by making donations to political candidates to agree with the wealthy point of views.

      Believe or not if the government will ease up taxes and let the wealthy create jobs the USA will have more revenue coming in.

      3. WELFARE & SECTION 8 HOUSING — Revamp these entitlements by making it hard for people to stay on them for long periods of times, therefore they will be more apt to go out and find a job or create a job.
      a. Require the recipient to show up every 4 weeks and conduct an urinalysis to ensure they are clean from drugs and alcohol, most of the time that money goes on drugs and alcohol. If they are clean they will receive the entitlements on the spot. Recipients that are disabled or seniors they will be exempt from urinalysis.
      b. Recipients will conduct job search 3 times a week and will provide proof every 2 weeks to the case worker, and the case worker will verify the information.
      c. Education will be provided if the recipient has not found a job within 2 years.
      d. Day care will be provided as long as the recipient is working at least a part-time job, however he/she will need to be active searching for a full time job.
      e. Maximum entitlements will not exceed 5 years.

      I can mention many more issues that perhaps I will take the whole website to write. In my opinion these are the top three that this country need to worry about.

      • Washingtonian says:

        You are an ignorant racist dog. Throw people in jail for being immigrants, the whole USA is made of immigrants. Someone from the past in your family was once an immigrant.
        “3. WELFARE & SECTION 8 HOUSING — Revamp these entitlements by making it hard for people to stay on them for long periods of times, therefore they will be more apt to go out and find a job or create a job.
        a. Require the recipient to show up every 4 weeks and conduct an urinalysis to ensure they are clean from drugs and alcohol, most of the time that money goes on drugs and alcohol. If they are clean they will receive the entitlements on the spot. Recipients that are disabled or seniors they will be exempt from urinalysis.
        b. Recipients will conduct job search 3 times a week and will provide proof every 2 weeks to the case worker, and the case worker will verify the information.
        c. Education will be provided if the recipient has not found a job within 2 years.
        d. Day care will be provided as long as the recipient is working at least a part-time job, however he/she will need to be active searching for a full time job.
        e. Maximum entitlements will not exceed 5 years.”

        did you think of this yourself? Do you sit at home thinking of ideas to make people who have needs harder for them to get help?! You say Oh let’s help one another and be nice to our neighbor. Yet you are writing things to make things difficult for that 1% yes its only 1% but in this country with millions and millions of people that 1% is way more than it seems. Just because you didn’t flip off the car that cut you off or you don’t show your aggression or anger doesn’t make you a good person so shut up.

        • REPUBLIC says:

          wahintonian you need to read carefully what I wrote about prisoning immigrants. What I said was for the illegal aliens that are seating in this nation by breaking immigration laws. You are lucck and tough to be behind your computer and accuse me to be a racist. I would have punched you mouth and slap your taste out of your mouth for calling me a bigot racist. My parents were legal aliens and why would I want to imprison legal aliens.

          Here is my advice you brain washed un amerivcan and freedom hater. 1 quit the crack pioe or quit smoking weed and save you last brain cell. 2. You are a traitor to the USA and now it’s time to love your country or move to another country so you can get all the welfare that you want. 3. Get a job and work like the majority of Americans and you will feel better about yourself. 4. In order for you stop being a bleeding heart, lazy, envious, covetting freak. Stop and pick yourself upband have some pride in your country and dignity for yourself, because you and the rest of the cry babies that want daddy to take care of tyour basic needs should join the military and big daddy will give you everything. You are the biggest dumb human being on the face of this forsaken earth. Ungrateful piece of garbage that your parents made. Perhaps you did not get enough discipline from them. I am sure that they are not so proud of you or made you were not loved so now you seeking big daddy government to supply that weeed and all your basic needs.

          • REPUBLIC says:

            Washingtonian you can call me names flip me off and I will not get angry, but when someon calls me a racist that will boil my blood because my family and I all are married to different races. Don’t you ever accuse me of racism or else I will ensure that you will be removed from this blog.

  • AmericaIsNotHomeOfTheFree says:

    Funny how it took less then 2 weeks from this being written that most of the rules your talking about (like the protesters being peaceful in the school) have all been broken. Only a matter of time now before you all get kicked out. I’m for the movement, but as a student I will be happy to see you all kicked out

  • ohno_zombies says:

    Way to follow your own drug and alcohol policy, guys.