D17: 12pm March and Protest to STOP LETHAL INCINERATORS IN DOWNTOWN SEATTLE.

We will march from Seattle Central Community College to Pike Place Market.
Starting at the corner of E. Pine St. and Broadway, under marquee.

Two Seattle Steam incinerators threaten to turn downtown Seattle into a Lethal Pollution Zone. One incinerator near Pike Place Market is already burning “dirty” waste wood and sickening neighbors. The huge 50MW, $80M incinerator planned near Pioneer Square would emits hundreds of tons of killer particle pollution and make $500,000,000. for Seattle Steam.

Because of large federal subsidies for both incinerators, the people of Seattle are literally paying to poison themselves. AND the entire Seattle City Council recently voted to support a further expansion of lethal Seattle Steam pollution. In classic 1% style, Seattle Steam “owns” Seattle City Council to assure no obstacles in the way of obscene profits!!

The 99% must fight back NOW!

JOIN US ON DEC. 17!

For more information about lethal incinerators and the campaigns to stop them: www.nobiomassburn.org

21 Responses to D17: 12pm March and Protest to STOP LETHAL INCINERATORS IN DOWNTOWN SEATTLE.

  • John Ellis says:

    What government does in our name become the conscience of us all, and when the corporate conscience is forced upon society as the organized will of us all, no slavery can be more cruel and no hope can there be for anything moral or just to come out of government.

  • sp5937 says:

    …is a movement to sterilize all these “occupy” iditos and stop them from reproducing. Your whole movement is so stupid that it really makes no sense. There is no goal, no focus, just constant biockering and griping about any little thing that bugs someone. Sort of reminds me of the hippie movement back in the late ’60 and ’70-s…but those people grew up and became productive citizens. I am not sure these “occu-criers” can do that.

    • donny1020 says:

      You remind me of a stinky hippie scum bag SP5937. Ya, they were the sons and daughters of the wealthy too. They, like you were to chicken shit to go to Nam so they let the sons of the working class go. Just like the sons and daughters of the working class are in Iraq and Afghanistan right now and these upper middle class cry babies are here complaining about the Steam Plant.

      They sat back in the world and got collage degrees and became Yuppies and then spawned shit head kids who now have to compete for work with the working class. Given the opportunity most of these protestors would spit on a blue collar worker. The wealthy are the only ones with time to protest the steam plant knowing how many jobs this retrofit will create.

      Don’t worry in ten years they will be real estate agents, stock brokers, professors, bureaucrats and/or work in a bull shit government agencies. They are you, they are just like you and the rest of the corrupt WASP white collar scum!

  • John Ellis says:

    Anyone who says that were so stupid as to not know what were trying to do — then know for a fact — that he knows for a fact — that what were trying to do is take away his excessive wealth.

  • donny1020 says:

    Now the Anglo dreadhead Occupy bourgeois have decided to attack what means jobs to that portion of 99% that are the working class, not lazy governmental pencil pushers but people that actually put in a days physical labor.

    You say that these are big poison pumpers and that our elected leaders are simply pawns of a select few capitalist and that if we only listen to you, who have never been elected by anyone and you, who represent only your own interest, we would realize that the retrofitting of the steam plant will destroy downtown Seattle.

    From my vantage point it appears that you have been co opted buy a bunch of urban yuppies who now having spent $.5m on a downtown condo don’t want their views infringed on. Mic Check! Fuck YOU rich kids! You don’t speak for me and you don’t speak for the working class! You speak for the sons and daughters of real estate agents and lawyers who have had a too comfortable of a life that your daddies and mommies made off of the sweat and hard labor of the working class.

    I’m to the left and you idiots are just playing revolutionary. If and when it comes I’ll be the ass hole standing behind you with a baseball bat to knock you down like a baby Harp seal. I pronounce you as guilty of benefiting from economic crimes and exploitation perpetrated on the working class by your parents!

    But then I guess you will tell me how you are acting in best interest, that because I’m part of the working class I’m not bright enough to know what’s in my best interest. Fuck Off White Yuppie Dread Boy!

  • marycpaterson says:

    As an “environmentalist” who was active in efforts to stop the tunnel plans for downtown Seattle, I plan to join the march and demonstration today opposing Seattle’s incinerators. I have much to learn about this issue and hope to become well informed today. For instance, it is surprising to me that the city council unanimously supported the incinerators, as the protest announcement claims, because I know that Mike O’Brien is a real environmentalist as well as a great human being who cares greatly about jobs and quality of life for the people of this city–he was the only city councilmember who consistently argued against the tunnel, and it surprises me if he voted for the incinerators. I am joining the march today in solidarity with the environmental movement within Occupy Seattle.
    As a side note, I want to say also how bizarre it is that a very small handful of commenters on the OS website seem so often to jump onto the blog after each and every new posting. They don’t seem to mind dominating the airspace, so to speak, day after day. Some (not all) of the comments are really angry, too, and my feeling is that the anger comes from a long way back, and has built over a long time, and is being directed at OS unfairly and disproportionately. Anger is a human emotion, god knows, but OS doesn’t deserve what it sometimes gets in the blog.
    Peace, health, and solidarity to you all.

  • Gratefuldreads says:

    I really believe in the reforms that OWS is trying to accomplish so it’s sad to see them wasting their energy on misinformation. I know people who work at Seattle Steam and I’ve taken a tour of their facility. First off, they have the most technically advanced, pollution control smokestack on the entire West Coast and all the data of everything coming out of it gets transmitted in realtime to the EPA office. Secondly, I know for a fact that the company doesn’t even pull in 1% (to use eveyone favorite percentage)of $500,000,000. Where are they pulling these numbers from? I sincerely hope they are being lied to by some other industry and not making up these inflated figures just to get people motivated to march. You ask anyone who works at Seattle Steam and they will tell you they put in the biomass boiler to be more environmentally friendly, not less. They only burn wood that had been used for some other purpose and was headed to the landfill anyway. They don’t cut down trees to burn.

  • sathya says:

    Of course you had a nice tour and they told you they had state of the art equipment for measuring pollutants, what they didn’t tell you can be found if you Google Dr. William Sammons. I too was skeptical until I heard all of the facts, AND the fact that there are NO safe levels of the nano particles (not measurable by ANY equipment)emitted. I live and work at the Market downtown, my use of my inhaler has risen ten times in the last year, I wonder why.

    • Gratefuldreads says:

      Thanks for suggesting the Dr. I’ve watched half a video interview so far. The good news is that many of his concerns for proposed new biomass boiler plants don’t apply in Seattle Steam’s case since SS’s boiler is a retrofit in a power plant that has already been operating in downtown Seattle for over one hundered years. They are not a dedicated biomass project and can switch back to just using their natural gas if need be so they would never be in a position of needing to log fresh trees to keep going. They are technically not an incinerator so I’m pretty sure they can never burn garbage or anything else besides wood. I haven’t found anything about unmeasurable nonparticles yet but I’m going to keep looking. I’m very sorry to hear your asthma is getting worse. Peace!

      • Gratefuldreads says:

        Oops! I meant nanoparticles.

      • sathya says:

        That is all very well…Virginia Mason won a “green award” for sending it’s food waste to their incinerator…the wood they burn by their own admission is a lot of demolition debris, and their “safety check” (CEO told the Market air group of which I am a part now)is a man who watches the conveyor and removes painted pieces of wood…there is NO check for treated wood…if a deck is take down for instance, it was treated for termites and mold…get the picture? NO burning is “safe”, period. Check out Marketair.org, the vulnerable citizens downtown, according to a rep from the American Lung Association are the elderly, immune compromised and children who breathe twice as fast as adults. We need someone like you! we are meetig with the Seattle Council sometime in Jan-Feb with Dr Sammons…Councilwoman Bagshaw lives across from the plant, and admitted to air quality issues. Thanks for being open minded…

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  • sathya says:

    here is a link http://burningissues.org/lukebiomass.html

    oh, and yes they CAN switch back to the cleaner burning gas, so why not? CEO Gent admitted biomass was more expensive…there is a agenda here…? long term?

    • Gratefuldreads says:

      I read your article above and I see why you are concerned. But, the type of low efficiency burning cited in the article above by residential fireplaces creates far worse and many more toxins than the very precisely controlled burn of an industrial biomass boiler. The toxic output mentioned in the above artcle is apples to oranges when compared to the toxins put out by an industial biomass boiler with state-of the-art scrubbers in its stack. I’m not saying that an industrial biomass boiler makes no pollution but they are carefully controlled to avoid the creation of many of the toxic compounds mentioned above. Below is an excellent study of the toxic effects of (once again residential only) biomass burning but goes to great legnths to distinguish the huge range in toxic output based on aplliance, efficiency, burn temperature, etc. This study recognizes the huge difference between a residential boiler and an industrial one by not bothering to compare the two except in only this one paragraph I could find.

      “Particles from large biomass combustion plants from combustion of waste wood or bark, consisting mainly of inorganic salts, were found to induce an inflammatory response in a human epithelial cell line, but the same particles did not induce an influx of inflammatory cells to the lungs of rats (Bellmann et al. in [120]). The authors suggested that this may be due to rapid clearance of soluble constituents in the in vivo model systems, whereas clearance was not possible in vitro.”

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2777846/

    • Gratefuldreads says:

      Great question, yes there is an agenda behind spending money on a more expensive biomass boiler when they didn’t have to. They want to make the company more environmentally friendly by bringing the company more into alignment with the Kyoto Protocol and reducing their carbon footprint by 40%-50%. Remember, I know people. ;) They have been burning lots of non-renewable fossil fuel for years and they wanted to switch some of their fuel supply to something renewable to be more sustainable. If all they cared about was profit and didn’t care about the environment why would they bother? Also, just in case you wondered, the Federal government only has financial incentives for biomass plants that create electricity but not for district heating which is all SS does. So, SS is not on some big government gravy train like many people seem to think.

  • donny1020 says:

    And this what OS or Decolonize Seattle looks like when an economic justice movement is taken over by knuckle heads. What a shame that what could have been important and been a vehicle for economic change decides it is in their interest to protest a environmental non-issue.

    Decolonize Seattle now speaks for the .00003% of the working class and 100% of the bourgeoisie. Less than 50 people show up for the action. Just old hippies, some upper middle class fake anarchist, a handful of women and a handful of guys trying to beat time with the women and one guy with a beer drinking in public and aspiring to be a rap star so he can buy gold and diamonds and expensive champagne. And the guy who picked up a lineman’s hardhat thinking it would make look like a construction worker.

    It is like a small group of people looked at the Occupy movement and came up with a plan to seize the platform and redirect the goals to make everything irrelevant.

  • sathya says:

    “They’ve dealt with lots of construction/demolition wood waste incinerators in NH and ME and there’s a great movement against them. Also, the letter mentions continuous emissions monitoring. See http://www.ejnet.org/toxics/cems/ for our info on that. We’ve been campaigning for more use of CEMS for toxics and have had a few successes in PA so far.

    Following the Maine letter is some info I’ve written/compiled on CCA-treated wood. Also, see http://www.actionpa.org/waste/cd/

    You can find some references to studies on CCA wood treatment and problems with CCA wood incineration. If they argue that they won’t burn treated wood, keep in mind two things:

    1) that burners tend to turn to more profitable feedstocks (wastes they can be paid to take rather than the less-contaminated fuels they need to pay for)
    2) that research out of Florida has shown that even in cases where CCA wood was hand-picked out of waste wood piles, contamination rates of 9-30% still existed; even though CCA is no longer produced, it doesn’t hit the waste stream for years and the amounts in the waste stream are still increasing; also, while the arsenic has been phased out, the copper is still a major hazard (dioxin catalyst) and if chromium is still used, that’s also a major hazard.” (Mike, Energy Justice Network)
    I don’t pretend to understand all of the science OR the economics behind the issue, I leave that to the experts, my concern is, bottom line, the addition of ANY MORE pollutants to a downtown scenario that is already dealing with vehicle emissions, cruise ship emissions etc. The above links may be useful, but I suspect your mind is made up and that is your right, say hi to Stan by the way! ;>)
    I dont post in these forums often, but I felt the need to here, and Donny1020 a lot of what you are saying makes sense…..sometimes an outsider can only judge by what they SEE.(there IS a clear agenda if you look for it,it is NOT random) I agree with Occupy’s basic philosophy and there will always be the odd crazy/beer drinker that latches on to a movement (that respects their right to be there as well) As for “old hippies” we have a right to live too. At least last time I checked.I myself didn’t grow up rich I educated myself and spent 25 years as a social worker, working with children. I now have a small retail store which is struggling, the stores around me which are kicking butt this Christmas are the high end ones…over the top in this miserable economic climate. Go figure. The rich are spending! my normal customers are NOT. Judging from your angry attitude I am opening myself up for abuse, but oh well.

    • Gratefuldreads says:

      @sathya Oh dear, I didn’t mean to give you the impression that we aren’t on the same page. I absolutely agree with you that there should be CEM on all smokestacks and constant testing for the toxins you mentioned and the best technology mankind can come up with to ensure that any of it is removed from the exhaust before it leaves the stack. I’m totally for independently verified emissions measurements to be made public for all the world to see. Absolutely agree that there should be accountability through independent observers monitoring and testing everything to verify transparency and that the results aren’t tampered with. Strict measures and constant testing should be put in place to ensure that no chemically treated wood or other contaminates be allowed into the biomass wood supply and suppliers should be held accountable. (I wonder if there is some sort of lighting or x-ray analysis that can be implemented to detect chemically treated wood.) Anyways my only point is IF SS takes all the necessary steps to do it with integrity-implementing all the controls mentioned above, I don’t think the technology should be given up on all together if it can be done with the proper transparency, accountability, and environmental stewardship in place. I don’t know anything about the incinerators on the other side of the country but they should be held accountable and not get away with being lazy or sloppy in what they burn or what they emit either. I am glad someone seems to be keeping an eye of them and I hope they are forced to clean up their act.

      I hope someday the planet will be powered entirely by zero emissions sources like geothermal and solar but we aren’t there yet unfortunately. At least until the technology and infrastructure is in place(which I hope happens ASAP) we humans have to burn something to create enough energy and ALL of it has negative side effects. There is no perfect fuel. I’m sure you know all about the problems with oil. Natural gas has the lowest PM and less CO2 than oil but it still pollutes, releases plenty of CO2 that was never in the atmosphere previously, and is non-renewable. And then there’s the water table and water contamination issues- Google “fracking” or “hydrofracking” and go on YouTube to watch the water coming out of people’s faucets catch fire near gas wells. With coal-which is also non-renewable- even if they clean all the toxins out of the exhaust, it still introduces new CO2 and the mining of it is terrible and dangerous for both the miners and the environment. Burning wood waste is renewable but supply must be VERY carefully managed and I strongly believe fresh timber should NEVER EVER be harvested for biomass burning. As you well know there are the issues with PM if not properly controlled and the potential for a contaminated supply stream if not aggressively monitored. So that’s where we are at. I hope we get some breakthroughs in our lifetime because right now it’s picking the lesser of evils. Sorry to hear your store is struggling. I hope things pick up soon. Peace!

      • sathya says:

        Sorry grateful!!
        It is kinda amusing to see someone so proud that they “know people” instead of the facts: SS received $6,000,000 in federal tax incentives for this wood incinerating “boiler.” They have actually increased their “carbon footprint” but assiduously ignore the fossil fuel that’s burnt, hauling in 6-8 truckloads of wood (by their own accounting) from who knows how far away, every day.
        And as for the “renewable benefits” of wood burning to be realized someone has to plant and grow and not burn an equivalent forest somewhere and then wait 80 to 100 years for all that carbon to be re-sequestered. No one but climate change deniers think we have that long to wait.

        If the people that you “know” are saying that SS has enjoyed no significant financial incentive of “government gravy,” then you have been misinformed! (or are working for SS, in which case this argument/dialogue is a waste of time).

        No one, not even SS denies that they are increasing particulate and toxic chemical emissions by burning wood in place of natural gas. Everyone knows that construction and demolition waste has poisons that are released into the air when burnt.(“Scrubbing” does NOT remove the tiniest and deadliest particles).
        It is simply unjustifiable to increase pollution at the Pike Place Market even if it actually does, eventually, ease global warming – but it doesn’t even do that!

        If SS is this rare little corporation that “cares,” apparently they didn’t care enough to learn what they were doing to their neighbors living and working and going to daycare at the Market. And they didn’t care enough to question the industry mythology that “biogenic carbon” is magically not a greenhouse gas.
        Someday we shall achieve peace I am sure of it.

  • Gratefuldreads says:

    @Sathya I’m not sure what your intended tone in the last posting was but please be patient and know that I am working on reading everything you’ve posted and am watching interviews of Dr Sammons, and checking out your website Marketair.org and researching this issue on the internet. I’m still here talking to you not to be argumentative but because I sense a person who is stressed out about their health (and the economy)and worried about the quality of air they are breathing and I want you to know someone is listening and taking this issue seriously.

    Now I’m trying to be as objective about this as I can and that means I’m looking at the Seattle Steam claims as well and trying to get to the truth as best I can. It’s a lot to read and digest and it takes time.

    I am not proud that I “know people”, I’m proud that the people I know chose to spend money they didn’t have to do something because they thought it was the right thing to do. I’m sure this is one thing that we will never agree on but I don’t believe everyone associated with SS is a heartless liar.

    As far as I can tell from combing the web, all the studies and papers published about industrial biomass projects not living up to expectations didn’t come out until 2010.(If you have something about industrial biomass burning-not forest fires or residential fireplaces prior to 2010 I would be grateful if you could post me a link. I can’t find anything.)If the news reports are accurate, SS installed their new boiler back in 2008 which means that given how long these things take to plan, get permits for, and finance they would’ve had to have done their research and made their decision well in advance of 2008. My point is it doesn’t look to me like the studies citing the problems even existed back then so I’m not sure it’s fair to assume the leadership knew everything you’ve recently read back then and conclude they were guilty of apathy.

    Now let me reiterate that even though I am willing to give SS the benefit of the doubt on some points it doesn’t mean I am blowing off your concerns. For example I find the idea of contaminated wood from demolition entering the supply chain very alarming and hazardous and that is something we can’t allow anyone to get sloppy on. You dead right about the trees which is why I am ONLY okay with SS ONLY burning stuff that was headed to the landfill. If that changed my opinion of the whole operation would change. But I feel like I covered that topic already so let’s move on.

    Now if you would like to help me along in my research I would love to get the info about the six million in tax incentives. I am still wading through the different kinds of financial incentives-tax breaks vs. grants vs. subsidies. What I posted earlier about government gravy was in reference to subsidies. Any tax break info would be helpful.

    At this point allow me to do what I’ve done in previous postings and share some(what I consider)good news from my research so far that I sincerely hope will take your stress level about all this down a notch or two. First, it appears that the proposed Pioneer Square project is going to be fueled only by natural gas. Second, I know absolutely nothing about the “virtual battery” project and whether it is part of the new proposed plant or something separate but it sure sounds like something that wouldn’t create much particulate. Fingers crossed! Third, the primary source of wood for SS is Cedar Grove Composting. From all I can tell from mere internet research and not knowing anyone, they seem to be environmentally responsible. People send materials to them from all over the country to be certified as compostable and they are described as the leading organic recycling company in the PNW. Logic tells me if they are certified organic then they must be certifiably careful with the wood they take in to resell as organic compost, bark, and biomass fuel.

    Ok, I know I haven’t finished addressing everything but I need to go at this point. Let me just say I keep worrying what all the dust from the tear down of the viaduct and the boring of the new tunnel is going to do to your asthma on top of all the other forms of air pollution we’ve already discussed. I hope you have the means to get yourself a good air filter. Take Care!